UL: Tax revolt in the North Country?

[Dreepa]

no, shifting taxes...

Shifting taxes is only 1/2 the battle.....plus it is WRONG to try that battle first.
1.  Spending needs to be reduced.
2.  See #1.

Otherwise you will never see the shifting of taxes.

[cathleeninnh]

Am I the only one who is really uncomfortable with the huge tax revolt being reported? With the pot of discontent stirred up, change is inevitable. What if we don't have enough influence to avoid really bad change?

Cathleen

[FrankChodorov]

no, shifting taxes...

Shifting taxes is only 1/2 the battle.....plus it is WRONG to try that battle first.
1.  Spending needs to be reduced.
2.  See #1.

Otherwise you will never see the shifting of taxes.

why?

taxation of buildings is theft...
taxation of land values prevents theft...

cut out the goverment as the middle man and pay for all infrastructure improvements with the increased land value that it brings...the uptick in economic activity and the resulting lowering of housing costs will mean that people's net benefit will be enhanced.

[Dave Ridley]

called FTL this weekend during their sat. broadcast and brought this up.  they broadcast into NH on saturday. 

[David]

Cathleeninnh, why would you be uncomfortable about the tax revolt? 

[burnthebeautiful]

no, shifting taxes...

Shifting taxes is only 1/2 the battle.....plus it is WRONG to try that battle first.
1.  Spending needs to be reduced.
2.  See #1.

Otherwise you will never see the shifting of taxes.

why?

taxation of buildings is theft...
taxation of land values prevents theft...

cut out the goverment as the middle man and pay for all infrastructure improvements with the increased land value that it brings...the uptick in economic activity and the resulting lowering of housing costs will mean that people's net benefit will be enhanced.

I try to understand your posts but I just can't, no matter how many times I re-read them and try to make sense of them. I don't think I've understood what you're proposing in any of the posts you've ever made.

How does taxing land value prevent theft? The definition of theft is taking something from somebody against that persons will. Therefor all taxation is theft.

What does taxing land value even mean?

What does cutting out the government as the middle man even mean? That a private company tax people? That a private company evaluate the land? What do you mean by "middle man" ??

What do you mean "pay something with land value"? You can't pay for something with "value", you pay for something with money.

I have questions like this in my head every time you make a post. I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or because you're completely insane.

[KBCraig]

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I try to understand your posts but I just can't, no matter how many times I re-read them and try to make sense of them.

Welcome to Enlightenment. That is why 24 of the active posters have him on "ignore".

Bill speaks a different language. It's not unlike an evangelical Christian trying to debate theology with a Jehovah's Witness: they can use the same words, but mean very, very different things.

You're confused because he uses familiar words in unfamiliar ways.

I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or because you're completely insane.

You're not an idiot. Neither is he. He's intelligent, to the point he's able to articulate a position. Or parrot one, at least.

The rest is open for debate, if anyone cares. I'd rather keep him on ignore.

Kevin

[Lloyd Danforth]

The closest thing to a 'fair' tax is a 'head' tax.  All the people, theoretically served thru the tax pay on an equal basis. 

Interestingly, I have stated this several times in the past and no one has ever disputed it.

All taxation is theft.

[Ron Helwig]

When you come to visit, ask me about this stuff, and I'll try to make some sense out of it for you.

taxation of buildings is theft...
taxation of land values prevents theft...

I try to understand your posts but I just can't, no matter how many times I re-read them and try to make sense of them. I don't think I've understood what you're proposing in any of the posts you've ever made.

How does taxing land value prevent theft? The definition of theft is taking something from somebody against that persons will. Therefor all taxation is theft.

What does taxing land value even mean?

What does cutting out the government as the middle man even mean? That a private company tax people? That a private company evaluate the land? What do you mean by "middle man" ??

What do you mean "pay something with land value"? You can't pay for something with "value", you pay for something with money.

I have questions like this in my head every time you make a post. I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or because you're completely insane.

[cathleeninnh]

I agree, Lloyd. I just wish that were being considered.

This "tax revolt" is being fueled by the redistribution experts. Those that know how to trot out the old, young, sick and poor in order to get established a method of soaking the others. Sadly, there are plenty of people truly wanting lower taxes caught up in the effort who will think something positive is going come of this. Something positive cannot come of this. We may get an income tax. We may get a "view tax" removal that shifts the tax burden to others. This is probably the least dangerous and least likely outcome.

"Gee, I bought the place entirely for the view! The only value is the view, therefore I should pay no taxes."

Tinkering with an inequitable tax system doesn't usually make it more equitable.

Our democratic legislators are showing up at the meetings to support this revolt. No one mentions cutting spending.

Cathleen

[Atlas]

I agree that reduced spending should be a corrollary of any anti-tax movement.

[d_goddard]

When you come to visit, ask me about this stuff, and I'll try to make some sense out of it for you.

You must have a lot more dope than me, dude

[FrankChodorov]

How does taxing land value prevent theft?

in anarchy the collection of economic rent (the return on land or unimproved land value) is nothing more than a tax on thye labor of those you excluded.


what is the difference between a landowner in anarchy and a state?
they both have a monopoly on power over a geography...

Therefore all taxation is theft.

preventing the collection of economic rent by the landowner therefore prevents a theft.

the landowner contributes no labor towards producing land or land value so therefore their absolute right of self-ownership is intact.

What does taxing land value even mean?

your property taxes is actually two taxes in  one:

1. a tax on capital (buildings) - which is theft of labor products of the landowner.
2. a tax on land values - which is not theft of labor products of the landowner because the landowner does not labor to create the unimproved land values (economic rent)

What does cutting out the government as the middle man even mean?

rather than paying the government and then have the government spend the economic rent (which means it is collectively owned) landowners should be required to pay their neighbors directly and equally (which means the economic rent is owned in common as an individual equal access right).

I have questions like this in my head every time you make a post. I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or because you're completely insane.

many people do and then just give up relying on the "all taxation is theft" mantra...

if you keep asking I will keep explaining...

[maineiac]

You are the master, Frank! How do you do it?

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