PHOOEY!

[CNHT]

CNHT, you hit the Cupie Doll rite on the head.  The UN assmunches look at us as "Surplus People"  That is a direct quote from a NAZI in Brazil 3 years ago, yup, the country that gave us "death squads".  These police in the Bounose Aeries (or whatever) area would take off their police officer friendly uniforms at night and travel the streets at night shooting "stray children" and dump them in shark infested water a few miles off their coast.  Problem solved!
   These ass munches want to keep the populations down so the masses don't kill the oligarchy that are starving them and keeping them poor.
   This planet has so much potential to feed us and to keep us alive and we know that there are people that are instigating wars and causing famines by these wars.  Look at Zimbabwe, a few years ago they were exporting beef, now the warlords are starving those poor (Christian)people.  Yup, under the nose of the UN.  Thats rite!  Same as Darfur (or whatever)  Christians are being killed and starved out of their lands.  I see a pattern here.................

This is why it makes me shudder when I see people actually supporting policies that help advance this crap...

They're just giving 'em more ammo to use on themselves.

For all their ranting about peace and sustainability, and all the propaganda surrounding the promotion of such with these last three or four movies that have come out since algore's, they have plans to eradicate people and move them en masse into 'approved' living areas. So they have to scare them into accepting their 'solutions'.

This is why guns must be outlawed (so you can't resist) and religion must be squelched in favor of secular humanism (so that no one has allegiance to anything except gov't) and killing becomes acceptable in the name of the 'cause'.

Just reading the quotes of these folks says this very clearly. Read up on Margaret Sanger, Robert Pastor, David Rockefeller, or any of the other Clinton gurus like Carroll Quigley, if you can wade through his 1,348-page book called "Tragedy and Hope". Then you got the foundations like Ford, and the 500 Soros groups, and wow... it's hard to imagine anyone winning against these globalists. It's like having 4,000 Hitlers at once.

I'm glad SOMEONE understands this!

[Caleb]

CNHT, you hit the Cupie Doll rite on the head.  The UN assmunches look at us as "Surplus People"  That is a direct quote from a NAZI in Brazil 3 years ago, yup, the country that gave us "death squads".  These police in the Bounose Aeries (or whatever) area would take off their police officer friendly uniforms at night and travel the streets at night shooting "stray children" and dump them in shark infested water a few miles off their coast.  Problem solved!
   These ass munches want to keep the populations down so the masses don't kill the oligarchy that are starving them and keeping them poor.
   This planet has so much potential to feed us and to keep us alive and we know that there are people that are instigating wars and causing famines by these wars.  Look at Zimbabwe, a few years ago they were exporting beef, now the warlords are starving those poor (Christian)people.  Yup, under the nose of the UN.  Thats rite!  Same as Darfur (or whatever)  Christians are being killed and starved out of their lands.  I see a pattern here.................

This is why it makes me shudder when I see people actually supporting policies that help advance this crap...

They're just giving 'em more ammo to use on themselves.

For all their ranting about peace and sustainability, and all the propaganda surrounding the promotion of such with these last three or four movies that have come out since algore's, they have plans to eradicate people and move them en masse into 'approved' living areas. So they have to scare them into accepting their 'solutions'.

This is why guns must be outlawed (so you can't resist) and religion must be squelched in favor of secular humanism (so that no one has allegiance to anything except gov't) and killing becomes acceptable in the name of the 'cause'.

Just reading the quotes of these folks says this very clearly. Read up on Margaret Sanger, Robert Pastor, David Rockefeller, or any of the other Clinton gurus like Carroll Quigley, if you can wade through his 1,348-page book called "Tragedy and Hope". Then you got the foundations like Ford, and the 500 Soros groups, and wow... it's hard to imagine anyone winning against these globalists. It's like having 4,000 Hitlers at once.

I'm glad SOMEONE understands this!

Why can't someone be for peace and sustainability, and not be a Nazi Malthusian hell-bent on taking away your guns and your religion and killing you?  I like peace. I like sustainability. These are not bad words, and it is *you* that is trying to link peace and sustainability with Malthusian theory and atheistic nazism.

[CNHT]

Why can't someone be for peace and sustainability, and not be a Nazi Malthusian hell-bent on taking away your guns and your religion and killing you?  I like peace. I like sustainability. These are not bad words, and it is *you* that is trying to link peace and sustainability with Malthusian theory and atheistic nazism.

Because individuals like us are not the problem. But large entities who want to control are... and they don't promote peace because they use war against the people to get what they want. You can't promote peace by forcing others into it -- with war and/or force, like we are doing in Iraq.

Each person can contribute to sustainability by not wasting, not polluting and not having more kids than they can feed.
They don't need these big government solutions, which require force, to enact, if the brainwashing doesn't work.

[Caleb]

But Jane, you get improvement by *acknowledging* good ideas. If you avoid topics (like "peace" and "sustainability") just because they are topics that bad guys want to use to their advantage, then in essence you yield to the bad guys by giving them a monopoly on the topic.

[CNHT]

But Jane, you get improvement by *acknowledging* good ideas. If you avoid topics (like "peace" and "sustainability") just because they are topics that bad guys want to use to their advantage, then in essence you yield to the bad guys by giving them a monopoly on the topic.

I just don't happen to think their solutions are good ideas....like moving people to live only onto areas specified by the government.
So that makes them the bad guys...

It gives those other things, which are not by themselves bad, a bad name.

So you were born into this world -- should you feel guilty about that? I think not!

As an individual, you can do those things I suggested and it's called responsibility. I don't have to see a movie to teach me to not pollute or waste or suck off the public trough. I think I've managed to do a good job of living what I preach so far in the 60 years I've been on earth.

[grasshopper]

   I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".
   I remember a story about Chairman Mao, in the early 60s or so, he decided that an other crop had to be planted in China and it had to be done now!  It was half way through the growing season and the crop (help me out here guys will ya?) didn't have time to mature and something like 20 million people were starving by January of that next year.  He wanted it and it was done!  That is the power that the UN buttmunches want, to do what ever they want to do when ever they want to do it regardless of the cost.  These UN buttplugs, most of the leadership anyways can trace their lineage back to before the Roman Empire.  Shoot, I can trace MY lineage to around the year132 BC!  Not too hard if you know how to translate Aramaic and Greek and Persian ect.ect. (i have a friend who has access to some HOT translation software!)
  My point?  These families believe they were put here by the Gods to rule the earth.  I crap you not.  I mean look at the eye of hourace on or dollar?  Do you think this is a cooinkidink?
   The policy of the UN and the inside leaders a=is to get rid of all religions by putting 1 against the other.  Now we know Hagle!  Cause and effect rite?  So, who is supporting all the crap going on in the world today?  What does this cause?  What is the solution and what will be the outcome of that solution? 
   The Christian dudes on the first page of this thread want to support Israel because, we, the USA I think might be considered as the "Little Horn" in the book of Revelations, that means the little country born from the remnants of the mother country.  If you trace Jeremiah and the line of David, it leads to the Island of Ireland, from there to Scottland and now to the throne of England.  We are Israel, and I believe direct descendants of the line of the tribe of Manasseh and one other but it escapes my peanut at this time.
   Here is a pretty cool Link for some very interesting reading.
http://www.freewebs.com/usa-in-prophecy/thetribesofisraeltoday.htm
   Now, I bring this up because of our 1 dollar bill.  Why?  I'll post more later.  Have a good one people!  I shall have to get back now!  (awwww)
Ed

[lildog]

I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".

What other form is there?  Communism is the complete ownership of everything by the government.  How can anyone claim to want a free state and yet want government ownership of everything?  That to me is a complete contradiction.

[J’raxis 270145]

I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".

What other form is there?  Communism is the complete ownership of everything by the government.  How can anyone claim to want a free state and yet want government ownership of everything?  That to me is a complete contradiction.

No, it's not. Definition.

[lildog]

I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".

What other form is there?  Communism is the complete ownership of everything by the government.  How can anyone claim to want a free state and yet want government ownership of everything?  That to me is a complete contradiction.

No, it's not. Definition.

First off Wiki links are NOT definitions.  But that aside look at the FIRST line in that article:

"Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production."

Here is the actual definition taken from Dictionary.com

1.   a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.   (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3.   (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
4.   communalism.

Communism is the polar opposite of freedom so I fail to understand how ANYONE can admit being a communist and yet claim they want freedom.

[Braddogg]

Gosh, I wish I hadn't missed this thread before.  Just to cycle back to the futility of the abortion debate for just a second: The only time I've ever experienced someone changing their opinion on abortion is when they changed their opinion on the presence of a god: atheists becoming pro-lifers when they become Christians, and Christians becoming pro-choicers once the scales drop from their eyes and they become atheists.  It's fundamentally a religious issue for most people (including many of the atheists -- a reaction to the pro-life position of Christians).  And the way to figure out if someone's position is based on science is to ask, What piece of scientific information can I give you that will change your mind?

I haven't quite figured out my new position (despite being an atheist for a year), but I think everyone on this board can agree that state-funded abortions -- or state-funded anything -- is a pretty wretched idea.  I'd like to see some of these supporters of state-sponsored abortions come and try to take my money themselves, rather than send tax collectors to do it in their place!

[toowm]

Actually, "scales from the eyes" was from Saul becoming a believer. 

[J’raxis 270145]

I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".

What other form is there?  Communism is the complete ownership of everything by the government.  How can anyone claim to want a free state and yet want government ownership of everything?  That to me is a complete contradiction.

No, it's not. Definition.

First off Wiki links are NOT definitions.  But that aside look at the FIRST line in that article:

"Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production."

Here is the actual definition taken from Dictionary.com

1.   a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.   (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3.   (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
4.   communalism.

Communism is the polar opposite of freedom so I fail to understand how ANYONE can admit being a communist and yet claim they want freedom.

Note how it says "stateless"? A government is the instrument by which a state rules—no state, no government. So explain to me how in a stateless society "communism" can mean ownership by the government. The dictionary definition also explains that communism means common ownership or state ownership. And this is the point I was making. "Communism" can also mean common ownership (and it did mean such before Leninism).

[Braddogg]

Actually, "scales from the eyes" was from Saul becoming a believer. 

The irony is so sweet!  It's almost like I did it on purpose    I was a super-devout Christian holy roller until I was 21, I love throwing that sort of irony into my daily conversation.

[lildog]

I believe in Communism, in its pure form, not the UN form of "Do What I Say Not As I Do".

What other form is there?  Communism is the complete ownership of everything by the government.  How can anyone claim to want a free state and yet want government ownership of everything?  That to me is a complete contradiction.

No, it's not. Definition.

First off Wiki links are NOT definitions.  But that aside look at the FIRST line in that article:

"Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production."

Here is the actual definition taken from Dictionary.com

1.   a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.   (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3.   (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
4.   communalism.

Communism is the polar opposite of freedom so I fail to understand how ANYONE can admit being a communist and yet claim they want freedom.

Note how it says "stateless"? A government is the instrument by which a state rules—no state, no government. So explain to me how in a stateless society "communism" can mean ownership by the government. The dictionary definition also explains that communism means common ownership or state ownership. And this is the point I was making. "Communism" can also mean common ownership (and it did mean such before Leninism).

The term stateless is from the wiki article which is only as good as the last person who updated it.  Anyone could change it to say anything and word it anyway they wish.  That doesn't mean it is correct.

That is why I supplied the actual dictionary definition which in the first 3 definitions backs what I original said.

But ok, let's just assume it means group ownership and not state ownership.  How is that any different?

If there are 3 of us and you want to use your car and the other two of us object, you cannot use your car because the "greater good" feel they need it.  That's the same crap Hillary and all other other Democrats spout out time and time again and it is the reason they use to justify half our paychecks being taken from us by force... all for the "greater good".

I cannot believe for a second that ANYONE who calls themselves a free stater could consider communism in ANY FORM to be a good thing.

[CNHT]

I'm not religious and never have been but I think if I am going to be against the death penalty for criminals I should be not be favoring abortions (except where it's medically necessary) for innocents.

And no matter how you feel about it, the state shouldn't be taking money from us for this purpose, or giving abortions to minors without telling parents since it's not a simple procedure at all, especially at the late stages.

Dr Paul always says that he was horrified to watch the 4 month baby gasping for air in the basin when it could have lived.
I guess there's nothing like having been there to help you formulate your beliefs...