Sex offender insanity coming to Manchester

[LaurieP]

Thanks NY2NH for your supportive comments.  Will is a great guy. 

My husband did ask her how old she was and she said 17.  What burden of proof does he need beyond that answer to know that his behavior is illegal?  There were other people there that night that heard her say the same thing.  In fact, when my husband met me (2 weeks later I might add), it was one of the first things he asked me "how old are you?" because, as you said, 18 is the ADULT age (even if they arent really men yet..) and he knew he had a responsibility to ask and not be involved with someone under 16.  So... at what point does he become criminally responsible (morally yes, but felony sex offender charges for life?)  It is not a defense in court to show you were mistaken and that is a HUGE problem.  I agree with you to some degree that a 19 year old who wants to bang chicks under 16 (the legal age) should not get a free pass.  An Aoc is necessary to prevent exploitive relationships in my mind, but I do not feel it must always be charged as a felony crime requiring sex offender registration for life.  If it was consensual (albeit gross) then shouldnt both parties share some of that burden?   And if that same 15 year old girl conspired to murder someone with my husband (or anyone), she certainly would be tried as an adult in almost every state.   If that same 15 year old girl 'conspired' with my husband to have sex, isnt she guilty of something? The irony is, had they committed murder together that night (as long as it wasnt premeditated) then my husband would most likely be out of jail by now, living a life free of these crazy restrictions and reporting.  Penatlies are supposed to be proportioned to the crime for a reason.  (Not because they dont all deserve punishment, but because if we start treating lessor crimes like major crimes, whats to stop people from just committing the major crimes if the punishment is the same?)

Unfortunately casual sex is all the rage amongst teens then and now (friends with benefits is a commong slogan).  It is completely and utterly disgusting for me to look back on my own behavior at that age... A reminder though, that penetration isnt defined by intercourse alone.  Using a finger (kids do this regularly in middle school/junior high, or at least they did 15 yrs ago when I was there) is also a felony crime, that nets you the same results as my husband.  A review board is desperately needed to look at these men and women on the registry individually to determine whether or not they belong there for life.  A fair number of them do not.  A fair number of them certainly do belong there for life.  But someone needs to discern that ... not just throw them into cubby holes based on offense.  It's a disservice to the community and an unncessary to shame to people like my husband. 

[J’raxis 270145]

The next Manchester town meeting will be Tuesday, 2007-10-02, at 16:00, on the third floor (the "Aldermanic Chamber") of City Hall. See pages 50–62 of this document for the sex-offender residency restriction issue. There is also supposed to be a map of the proposed sex-offender–free zones, but I don't see it in there.

Laurie and I will be there.

The Manchester section of CURSOR has been updated.

[SpeedPhreak]

Age of Consent -

Brazil - Menstruation/Ejaculation - puberty
Iran 9 (Technically illegal if you are unmarried but you can marry at 9)
Japan 13
Canada 14
Spain 14 (recently it was 13)
Italy 14
Germany 14
Cuba, Guatemala, Iceland, Peru, Chile, China, Russia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, & dozens of other countries - 14 or less

Raise the AOC to 15 or less & you get more than 50% of the world.

Even in this country - less than 15yrs ago (before Megans/Jessica's laws) there were 2 states I can think of off the top of my head (Maryland & New Mexico) where the AOC was 13.

Why is it wrong in the US but not several other countries?
Why is it wrong now & not then?

Jewish children become adults at 13 & 14 - several other cultures have similar rituals & rights of passage.

Mary was said to be between 12 & 17 when she gave birth to Jesus (14 or 15 is the most likely from what I have read).

The prophet Muhammad had a 9yr old wife (from what I understand & this is the reason for Iran's law) - though I believe the marriage wasn't consummated until she was in her early teens (I have not confirmed this information/belief however).

Not religious?  Science says sex is for procreation - you are ready to procreate when your internal biological "clock" says so (menstruation/ejaculation).  Mentally/Emotionally "ready"  - that is societies & more importantly parental responsibility & failure.  "Our" particular society glorifies sex & casual sex at that... "Our" society also (like most) glorifies youth.  We have Prepubescent girls wearing thongs that show above their low rise jeans, in miniskirts, & halter tops... imitating their idols, older sisters, & even mothers. 

So - Where does that leave me?

I'm a registered sex offender.

My "crime"? - consensual "contact" w/a female that was 14 (6wks from her 15th bday which would have made it a misdemeanor).  I was 30.  She was not a virgin & she persued me (w/her parents consent) for 2years (yes her PARENTS knew she had an interest in me since she was 12).  I am not here to talk about my "crime" beyond what I already posted (here & in other threads) - but the ramifications.

10yrs to life on probation, lifetime register as a SO & if I violate probation I go to prison for life w/no chance of parole.
$8500 in fines
$2500 in restitution (for her "therapy")
$60/week for brainwashing group (for a min of 2yrs)
$225 per polygraph (4-8/yr)

I can not live at my house because it is next to a school.
I can not live at my girl friends house because our daughter lives there (19 months old)
I can not run my business's because I may have "contact" with someone under 18 & now have a hard labor job (that pays very good though).
I can not go to restaurants, bars, clubs, or even order pizza.
I can not "use" dating services, craigslist, or any type of pornography (this includes Maxim Magazine).
I can not drink or even buy alcohol.
I've had to move twice because of "people" not wanting me in their neighborhood.
I have to be home by 8pm unless I am working or at my brain washing class.
I have to shop between 3 AM & 5 AM & get permission from my PO (because it is after curfew).
I have to take polygraphs to see if I am compliant
I have to go to brainwashing classes where I am not allowed to tell the story as it happened but how "they" want to here it (how I hid in the alley & offered her candy if she helped me find my lost puppy).
I have to write out my ENTIRE sexual history & name my partners from childhood to now... I am polygraphed on the accuracy of that as well as tell my entire family - past, present, & future - of my entire sex history.
I can not have ANY contact w/anyone under 18 - this includes delivery drivers, cousins, nieces/nephews, etc... contact means I can not see them, have pictures of them, buy them birthday presents, or even hear news about them (including my own daughter).

Most of that is bad - but I can handle it - even the class... what I can't handle is what "they" are doing to my daughter & her future well being & development.

I have not seen my 19month old daughter since I was in Jail - "they" wont let me.  When I was in Jail & she would visit w/her mother she would try & kiss me threw the monitor (visitors were in a separate building).  She would draw me pictures (at 15 months) & not let my girlfriend see them because they were for "daddy".  She kisses a picture of me every night before bed.  She will be hysterical & scream "daddy" "daddy" if my g/f & I are talking & she knows its me.  When she was just 2 months old she would cry if anyone including her mom held her but be calm if I held her.  We have (had?) a very strong bond - I am very concerned what this separation is doing to her.

Before I put my plea in I went threw what is called an Abel Screen to test my sexual interests - including homosexual & deviant - i.e. bondage, stalking, etc... (by the way it is 100% normal for adult men to be attracted to teen women, adult women to be attracted to teen men - & visa versa... I wonder why?) - I passed w/flying colors

After I got out of jail, my lawyer set me up with a thing in my state called a Parental Risk Assessment - if you pass it you are supposed to be allowed to be w/your family/kids.  I took a VERY graphic polygraph about my daughter specifically.  I took a  plethysmagraph (PPG) - I put a ring around my penis & looked at porn (including kids in their underwear) & listened to stories of men molesting/raping people from infants to adult, male & female... it measures blood flow & therefore sexual interest.  I had an interview w/a sex specific psychologist.  I PASSED ALL OF IT 100%.

"They" still won't let me be w/my family.

In this same state (CO) just 8yrs ago a friend of mine had a friend that was in his late 20's get caught w/a 14yr old & the cops questioned him & her & left it at that - no charges, no court, no nothing.

I know of a "guy" in AZ who molested his 8yr old step daughter - dropped $35k on a lawyer & was never even charged - WTF!?!?!?!?!

I know of a guy who met his "victim" in a bar - she had a fake ID.  After living w/her & getting her pregnant he finds out she is 14 (barely 14 when they 1st had sex) & is now a life time sex offender too.

In the old testament if you slept w/a virgin out of wedlock you had to marry her & pay her father 5k pieces of Silver.

In several countries AOC punishment is a fine or very small sentences (only in a handfull of countries is it as strict or stricter than most US States).

Don't get me wrong - I also think rape & sex w/pre pubescent kids is sick & wrong - molest my kid, rape someone in my family - & I will kill you - plain & simple... F@CK the "law".  However I am not so sure I have the authority to regulate someone else & there family (stemming from a conversation at the FSP board).  I am, however, sure that the AOC laws are mostly BS.

Life sentence - no, 5k pieces of silver - no, life sentence (outside of jail) - no, castration - no.  The only answer is to have the victim & in molestation cases - the family decide.  If they want restitution, treatment, jail,  or castration - depending on the circumstances then they should have a choice... not "the state".

[J’raxis 270145]

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Why is it wrong in the US but not several other countries?
Why is it wrong now & not then?

The modern concept of the age of consent arose in the Victorian period (England), and the Anglo countries seem to have quite the moral panic about children/teens and sex going on nowadays. England, the United States, Australia. Practically all the news about pedophiles you see comes from these countries. I'd point you to some resources online about the history of this stuff, but your therapists would no doubt see such materials as undermining their reprogramming treatment so it's probably best that I don't.

The prophet Muhammad had a 9yr old wife (from what I understand & this is the reason for Iran's law) - though I believe the marriage wasn't consummated until she was in her early teens (I have not confirmed this information/belief however).

I think you're talking about Ayesha bint Abu Bakr. It's interesting that you bring her up in defense of lowering the age of consent; Islamophobes love to point to Ayesha as "proof" Muhammad was an evil child molester.

I'm a registered sex offender. ...

Thanks for posting your story, and welcome back, albeit a bit late—I only started coming here in June and wasn't aware of your situation while it was going on.

When do you think you'll make it up to New Hampshire finally? I can't say you'll have an easier time here with respect to the legal system—as you can see from this post and others, all the major cities, and many of the smaller towns are intent on passing residency restrictions making it as difficult to get by here as anywhere else—but I think a lot of freestaters will accept you. We do have a some social conservatives, of course, who'll probably think you're a child molester, but they—like everyone else, including myself—don't speak for the FSP or the "movement" in general; no one does, really.

I for one don't have a problem with what you did: For me, consensual is consensual, regardless of social custom or artificial numbers. In many cases social custom—especially sexual taboos—can be more oppressive than the State, so to me, true liberty means opposing both.

So again, welcome back, and I hope someday that'll be "welcome home."

[J’raxis 270145]

The next Manchester town meeting will be Tuesday, 2007-10-02, at 16:00, on the third floor (the "Aldermanic Chamber") of City Hall. See pages 50–62 of this document for the sex-offender residency restriction issue. There is also supposed to be a map of the proposed sex-offender–free zones, but I don't see it in there.

Laurie and I will be there.

The Manchester section of CURSOR has been updated.

Still tabled.

The aldermen adjourned at 17:15, leaving all tabled items from last time, which included the sex-offender residency-restriction ordinance, tabled. Committee meetings usually convene until 17:30 but apparently the aldermen wanted to get out of there in a hurry tonight. The meeting was spent receiving updates from the police and fire departments, discussing new EZPass-like tracking devices that can be used at parking meters, and replacing the clutter of small signs in downtown Manchester with very expensive-looking "wayfinding devices" (larger signs).

Laurie Peterson, Mark Warden, and I were in attendance. Even though she didn't testify to the committee this time, the aldermen were definitely aware that Laurie was there in order to witness the proceedings, and will doubtlessly be following up with them individually later this week.

Leo Pepino, former alderman, showed up to speak in favor of the ordinance, but didn't get to do so as a result of their early adjournment. He was quite angry with them, calling them a "bunch of idiots" and grumbling about them being more concerned with dogshit than sex offenders. This was most likely a reference to last month's meeting where the aldermen spent most of their time going over the finer points of dogs fouling Manchester's city parks.

From where I'm standing, however, if the aldermen want to waste their monthly committee meetings discussing dogshit instead of passing it, in the form of new anti-freedom laws, that's just fine with me.

[d_goddard]

Still tabled.

Awesome!!! Congrats!!

This is victory, best you can get in this situation.
And make no mistake, they didn't table it because they had Bigger Fish To Fry... they tabled if because they knew y'all would KICK THEIR ASS.

[SpeedPhreak]

Thanks for posting your story, and welcome back, albeit a bit late—I only started coming here in June and wasn't aware of your situation while it was going on.

When do you think you'll make it up to New Hampshire finally? I can't say you'll have an easier time here with respect to the legal system—as you can see from this post and others, all the major cities, and many of the smaller towns are intent on passing residency restrictions making it as difficult to get by here as anywhere else—but I think a lot of freestaters will accept you. We do have a some social conservatives, of course, who'll probably think you're a child molester, but they—like everyone else, including myself—don't speak for the FSP or the "movement" in general; no one does, really.

I for one don't have a problem with what you did: For me, consensual is consensual, regardless of social custom or artificial numbers. In many cases social custom—especially sexual taboos—can be more oppressive than the State, so to me, true liberty means opposing both.

So again, welcome back, and I hope someday that'll be "welcome home."

Thank you.

I don't know... honestly.  I know I can transfer probation - but my lawyer says its very difficult & "treatment" doesn't like to let people leave before they are effectively brainwashed.  Then again I don't know if I trust my lawyer - more than 1/2 the guys in my group/class are in similar situations & had the same lawyer... I wonder if he gets kick backs for working it out so we get probation & have to go to this particular group.

I was thinking of Puerto Rico - The AOC there is 14 & although I would still be on probation & be required to register the supervision would be lax & the "worry" wouldn't be there.

I have also toyed with the idea of "other" places (still).

If I do decide - it wont be for 2yrs probably... the min amount of time I have to be in treatment (many guys go 5 or 6 yrs & a few haven't left after 9).

Good news Manchester... glad to hear it.

[J’raxis 270145]

Still tabled.

Awesome!!! Congrats!!

This is victory, best you can get in this situation.
And make no mistake, they didn't table it because they had Bigger Fish To Fry... they tabled if because they knew y'all would KICK THEIR ASS.

We didn't do anything other than be there. But yeah, hopefully they're getting to recognize Laurie and I, as this is our second appearance at one of these meetings.

Next up:—

Find out when the next meeting is. It seems they don't want this to become an election issue, and the elections are on November 6, the same day the PS committee meeting would normally be scheduled. So, they're going to try to slip another meeting in earlier, most likely.

I also wonder if this, like things at the state and federal level, gets dragged out until the end of the session (do aldermanic meetings even run in "sessions"?), it'll die automatically and have to be reintroduced from step #0 again by next year's aldermen.

[ArcRiley]

From where I'm standing, however, if the aldermen want to waste their monthly committee meetings discussing dogshit instead of passing it, in the form of new anti-freedom laws, that's just fine with me.

I've heard of this as a strategy actually.

You know about the concept of a bikeshed right?  Ditto goes to these committee's. Everyone can understand dog shit in a park, the issue of sex offender residency is a very complicated and controversial topic.

So in order to keep anti-freedom stuff from going through you bring a bunch of trivial meaningless stuff which everyone can agree on to their table as problems and let them have that warm fuzzy feeling as each person on the committee takes their turn to agree with the proposal and show that they're "doing something".  No time left, all other items tabled.

[J’raxis 270145]

From where I'm standing, however, if the aldermen want to waste their monthly committee meetings discussing dogshit instead of passing it, in the form of new anti-freedom laws, that's just fine with me.

I've heard of this as a strategy actually.

You know about the concept of a bikeshed right?  Ditto goes to these committee's. Everyone can understand dog shit in a park, the issue of sex offender residency is a very complicated and controversial topic.

So in order to keep anti-freedom stuff from going through you bring a bunch of trivial meaningless stuff which everyone can agree on to their table as problems and let them have that warm fuzzy feeling as each person on the committee takes their turn to agree with the proposal and show that they're "doing something".  No time left, all other items tabled.

We actually didn't try to instigate this last month—they wanted to talk about dogshit on their own initiative—but it certainly might be a good strategy to try next time.

Mark was concerned about these expensive wayfinding signs they want to put up; perhaps if that's on next month's agenda again, we can get them to spend the whole time arguing and debating over those things and push it out past 17:15 again. I was thinking about these signs, and perhaps if they were to sell space on the signs for the five points-of-interest they want to put on them, they could make the signs pay for themselves (right now they're slated to be the highway and/or traffic department's responsibility). Since the signs can only hold five lines, it would probably get quite competitive between the various businesses wanting to be on there, too.

[d_goddard]

Mark was concerned about these expensive wayfinding signs they want to put up; perhaps if that's on next month's agenda again, we can get them to spend the whole time arguing and debating over those things and push it out past 17:15 again. I was thinking about these signs, and perhaps if they were to sell space on the signs for the five points-of-interest they want to put on them, they could make the signs pay for themselves (right now they're slated to be the highway and/or traffic department's responsibility). Since the signs can only hold five lines, it would probably get quite competitive between the various businesses wanting to be on there, too.

Awesome!!
If you can spend the time to line up a few business owners who would speak favorably to the idea, then Manchester has a whole new "issue" that will be discussed and debated for hours... and it's a pro-free-market idea, raising money voluntarily instead of by coercive taxes, so you'll be putting 'em on the defensive.

Thou Art Jedi.

[J’raxis 270145]

I don't know... honestly.  I know I can transfer probation - but my lawyer says its very difficult & "treatment" doesn't like to let people leave before they are effectively brainwashed.  Then again I don't know if I trust my lawyer - more than 1/2 the guys in my group/class are in similar situations & had the same lawyer... I wonder if he gets kick backs for working it out so we get probation & have to go to this particular group.

Court-appointed public defender? Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence...

I was thinking of Puerto Rico - The AOC there is 14 & although I would still be on probation & be required to register the supervision would be lax & the "worry" wouldn't be there.

New Hampshire law only requires people moving into the state to register if they were convicted of a crime in the state of origin that is "reasonably equivalent to a violation listed" (RSA 651-B:1). A lot of jurisdictions' registration laws are similar to this; since it wouldn't have been illegal in Puerto Rico, are you sure you'd have to register?

[SpeedPhreak]

Court-appointed public defender? Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence...

NO

thats what is the most messed up.  In my group alone he made 6 figures.  There is another guy I work w/who's wife falsified charges on him & has the same lawyer - the lawyer got him a defered sentence but had to do a year of domestic violence & a year of alcohol classes... he also can't have his guns until the defered sentence is over (to do the DV charge).

Looks like I would probably have to register in NH... but if I can live w/my family I would rather live in NH than PR I think.

As for PR I am not 100% sure.  I would check w/the courts there when I arrived.  I am going mostly on what my attorney has told me & the conversation w/a person from PR who will be transfering his probation there if he doesn't have to do prison time (for assault or something - not AOC or DV).

[J’raxis 270145]

The next committee meeting in which the residency restrictions will be discussed will be held today, 2007-10-30, at 15:30 at Manchester City Hall. These meetings are usually held on the first Tuesday of the month, but since 2007-11-06 is election day, they need to sneak one more in beforehand.

Laurie and I plan to attend, and we've updated CURSOR about the meeting.

[J’raxis 270145]

Tabled again. Taxinator, LaurieP, and I were there to observe and take notes.