Student Tasered in Front of John Kerry

[mvpel]

That's a darn good question, Penguins.  I think it goes to the core of what's wrong with the relationship between the police and the public these days.

[alohamonkey]

http://theandrewmeyer.com/

Maybe we can do something to help him, rather than debating.

Good point.  Officers Eddie J. King and Nicole Lynn Mallo (?) were the two that were the instigators in tasing him.  Officer King tried to tase him first but his taser was "on the fritz" and didn't work.  He then instructed Nicole Lynn Mallo to tase him.  Which she did. 

Would you send letters to the officers involved, the Florida attorney general, or the University of Florida if you wanted to try to make sure those officers are relieved of their badges?

[KBCraig]

[snip]

"Non-lethal" force is still force.

That's why they call them "law enFORCEment officers."

What happened to "peace officers"?

The War on Drugs is too profitable to be "peaceful". EnFORCEment pays a lot better.

The Dallas school district even has its own SWAT team now. 

[Raineyrocks]

I wonder if there is anyway to prevent the taser guns from harming someone.  I was looking up info on this and I could only find a site that mentioned aluminum foil but then on another site it said that wouldn't help.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

I wonder if there is anyway to prevent the taser guns from harming someone.  I was looking up info on this and I could only find a site that mentioned aluminum foil but then on another site it said that wouldn't help.

Educate on the obedience to authority. Seminars required by law to all officers carrying a gun, taser, billyclub, etc. 

http://www3.niu.edu/acad/psych/Millis/History/2003/stanley_milgram.htm#Obedience to Authority

[penguins4me]

I wonder if there is anyway to prevent the taser guns from harming someone.  I was looking up info on this and I could only find a site that mentioned aluminum foil but then on another site it said that wouldn't help. :-\

Basically, most methods just aren't worth the hassle, unless you're planning on getting tased. In short, the traditional "taser shooting" (rather than close-contact taser touching, which is most definitely nothing but pain compliance) requires two barbed hooks to be shot into the victim's flesh at an appropriate distance to channel the taser's electrical charge through a significant portion of the user's body. Supposedly, the electrical charge causes all "voluntary" muscles to spasm while the taser is on, blah blah. End result: prevent the barbs from stabbing you, and the taser's primary attack is ineffective.

A bullet-resistant vest is the very first thing which comes to mind. Very heavy civilian clothing may work as well, but I've never inspected taser hooks closely enough to be sure.

[Gard]

The female tazer-er is actually saying that she thinks they were set-up.

[E-ville]

I like the idea of tazer resistant clothing..

A tazer works quite simplly, a positive and negative electrode sticks to you, you then complete the circuit..  a way to preven being the circuit is ada better conductor between you and them..  a light chain mail would direct the current around you..  it would complete the circuit instead of your body completing the circuit.. thus no shock..  a nice aluminum foil shirt would do the trick as long as your insulated from it.. and you add some layers of sweatshirt under to stop the electrodes from piercing your skin...  Even if it did hit your skin the aluminum foil will conduct much better than your body making almost all the current go through the foil...  Mylar might work also, its tougher and still metalized, experimenting may be needed... Build away folks..

It would be like V for vendetta when the shoot the hell out of V and he just stands up and the goons are speachless... 

Gosh, the look on the face as the press the button over and over and you just stand there talking to them... telling them how evil they are, I say do everything you can to fuck with there minds with out violence is good..  this would be great!

Remember every action that have, we have a way around it just use your imagination 

[CNHT]

I think we all need our own personal tasers for protection..

[E-ville]

That would be assault on a officer.. the law works one way only you know.. you cant do what they can do to you..  But I hear ya, id skip the tazer and got for something more powerfull 

[CNHT]

That would be assault on a officer.. the law works one way only you know.. you cant do what they can do to you..  But I hear ya, id skip the tazer and got for something more powerfull 

I did not say it was for assaulting officers! 

I said for personal protection.

It's less dangerous than what I already have. 

[Braddogg]

The female tazer-er is actually saying that she thinks they were set-up.

You don't believe the pigs, do you?  If you do anything other than defend this kid's "right to free speech" in a forum held in a university (despite the fact that he jumped to the front of the line, taunted the police, and instigated an inappropriate yet inevitable escalation of force that achieved his goal: making his name known worldwide), expect your karma to plummet 45 points today like mine has 

[E-ville]

Yeah, I hear ya.. I still like the "shock" factor of tazer proofed clothing the officers would be so dumbfounded.. there not that smart.. it would take them abit to comprehend the situation... as you get in a couple good remarks about there evil behavior before the tackle you. Maybe the event would stick a bit and they would actually think about there job and what they do to people.

Like for instance when they tazer you in your tazer proofed outfit, you say "You should think a bit about what your doing to people.. your a evil person and will be eventually be punished, if i were a violent person I could have just blow your head off.. because your tazer doesn't effect me."

They need something to think about when they file that paperwork. Make sure you record the event so you have proof that you didn't threaten them, and that you just said that if you were a violent person, you could have blow there head off..   Make them think the problem is they don't think they react to there training.

I don't condone violence, but using tactics that make them think a little bit are a good idea, becuase most people can actually think if they have to. If you make them think the may actually come up with a outcome instead of a reaction and find the error of there ways.

[EthanAllen]

This is what I think is the most likely scenario from this youtube film of the incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

The police officers have probably been instructed to physically escort anyone out of the building who has the microphone cut-off by the organizers for breaking the rules of a public forum. What sort of rule breaking? Monopolizing the mic by a long preface to questions, asking a series of questions rather than one and using sexually explicit words. It appears the police keep looking towards the back of the room to see if someone is going to cut the mic and there is a guy in a tie behind them (probably an organizer) making a gesture to someone at the back to cut the microphone after he starts to ask another question.

Now the better thing to have done is just to cut off the microphone and let Kerry decide whether or not he wants to answer the questions (he said he had read the book that the questioner references as the source for his questions). If he continues to shout questions then the police should ask the person to leave. If they don't leave then physically escort them out. If they resist being escorted out then tell them they will be subject to arrest if they don't comply.

The exact same procedures that one uses out in the street should be used for those resisting arrest.

[alohamonkey]

Any idea what the yellow book he is holding up is? Maybe it's like a necklace of garlic cloves. I want to wave in in front of the marshals that are at the Browns

Here's a link to an article and interview with the author of the book he is holding.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/190907_b_irony.htm

The book is called "Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans--Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild" and it's by an investigative journalist from the BBC named Greg Palast.