No offense, but that courtroom stunt was dumb

[PaulOtt]

Look, I have no problem at all with what you guys do, I simply have better ways to show my "disobedience" than pulling stunts that will get me tossed in jail.


I'd much rather work within the system, but I realize I'm going against the grain on that one.

Hey Joey,

There are many activists in NH trying different approaches to effectively reduce the size and scope of government. The NH Underground forums here generally lean more to the civil disobedience side of things, but not entirely. I don't wish for you to feel like you're going against the grain or you're all alone or anything like that, so just letting you know there are other forums where great effort is being made to work within the system, such as the NH Liberty Alliance, if that's more appealing to you. Obviously you're welcome to peruse wherever you like.

- Paul

[BillKauffman]

You can't then go into court and argue that the court has no authority over you.

It is logically absurd.

The only moral position you can come to is Lauren's. Pretend that the laws don't pertain to you and then when thrown in jail act bewildered (as to why anyone would force you into a cage), passively resist - smile, show only love & compassion for your captors and by force of your own internal conscience make them release you because they are equally bewildered by your bewilderment.

[thinkliberty]

You can't then go into court and argue that the court has no authority over you.

It is logically absurd.

Just like if a motorcycle gang kidnaps you and has a "trial", you don't want to say they the motorcycle gang's court has no authority over you. (at least the motorcycle gang does not pretend to be good guys.)

Is it logically absurd to tell thugs not to be thugs, if they are pretending not to be thugs?

What Lauren did was show them for what they really were and made them feel bad about what they were doing...

[KBCraig]

Joey, are you going to become the new "Luke"?

Joey was "Luke" before Luke ever got here.

[dalebert]

You can't then go into court and argue that the court has no authority over you.

I'm not equating a threat with authority. Plenty of us go into the court room under duress and then make our case for why it has not authority. My friend Mike was dragged into that court room in chains. I promise you, I had no desire to walk into that court room, but my I did have a desire to support my friend who was dragged there in chains.

[BillKauffman]

You can't then go into court and argue that the court has no authority over you.

It is logically absurd.

Just like if a motorcycle gang kidnaps you and has a "trial", you don't want to say they the motorcycle gang's court has no authority over you. (at least the motorcycle gang does not pretend to be good guys.)

Is it logically absurd to tell thugs not to be thugs, if they are pretending not to be thugs?

What Lauren did was show them for what they really were and made them feel bad about what they were doing...

How do you know this - did they say this upon releasing her?

[thinkliberty]

What Lauren did was show them for what they really were and made them feel bad about what they were doing...

How do you know this - did they say this upon releasing her?

You are right I take it back, they must have released her from embarrassment.

[Russell Kanning]

Look, I have no problem at all with what you guys do, I simply have better ways to show my "disobedience" than pulling stunts that will get me tossed in jail.


I'd much rather work within the system, but I realize I'm going against the grain on that one.

Hey Joey,
The NH Underground forums here generally lean more to the civil disobedience side of things, but not entirely. I don't wish for you to feel like you're going against the grain or you're all alone or anything like that, ....

I do
We lean towards not siding with the thugs.

[Kat Kanning]

Even though the thugs are wrong ... I don't see any reason to try and appeal to some sort of religious exemption  for a hat that is not important to you.

Just playing devil's advocate here...but couldn't the same be said about you and some of your "stunts" that landed you in legal trouble? 

Russell actually is religious.  Jesse made it up.  I wasn't impressed with the lying.  As I said elsewhere, I never said Jesse did anything wrong.

Do I have some sort of moral obligation to be impressed by what he did?

[Russell Kanning]

And some of us have no interest in setting up any court systems

[Friday]

It's a lot like the Muslim lady in Atlanta who wouldn't remove her head scarf for "religious reasons." The courtroom isn't a mosque, so the judge was right to make her remove it.

I completely disagree with you.  The right to freedom of religious expression doesn't stop at the courthouse door.  

To be fair, they'd have to make Christians and Jews remove their cross/Star of David pendants; you know, if you flung one of those things across the room, you could put someone's eye out!!  

[Russell Kanning]

Even though the thugs are wrong ... I don't see any reason to try and appeal to some sort of religious exemption  for a hat that is not important to you.

Just playing devil's advocate here...but couldn't the same be said about you and some of your "stunts" that landed you in legal trouble? 

BTW, I actually support and applaud what you and Kat have done.  And, I feel the same way about Jesse.  If I had the balls I would have done the exact same thing.  Your comments just seem...well...almost envious/jealous????

When have I ever appealed for a special exemption from the governments rules ... especially for invented religious reasons?
Maybe it all looks the same from a distance, since we are both standing up to the thugs in a small way.

[Russell Kanning]

It's a lot like the Muslim lady in Atlanta who wouldn't remove her head scarf for "religious reasons." The courtroom isn't a mosque, so the judge was right to make her remove it.

I completely disagree with you.  The right to freedom of religious expression doesn't stop at the courthouse door.  

I guess it does. But maybe it shouldn't.

[Sam A. Robrin]

To be fair, they'd have to make Christians and Jews remove their cross/Star of David pendants; you know, if you flung one of those things across the room, you could put someone's eye out!!  

Well, "If thy right eye offendeth thee . . ."

[Russell Kanning]

hey ... now we are getting muslim bride ads

I guess Jesse was hoping to offend some people and it worked