The Georgists

[BillG]

did he initially buy the land while it was underwater?

[Pat McCotter]

Land is a store of the labor of the landowner. His previous labor created the wealth he used to store in the land he purchased.

I learned how to parse sentences in grade school. I am not able to apply that knowledge to your missives.

let's try it again then - shall we?

since I am talking about unimproved land value after purchase - what wealth and labor are you referring to?

I labor for, oh, say, 20 years doing, oh, let's see, making furniture in the rented barn behind my rented house.

I exchange that furniture for pieces of paper with pictures of dead presidents - and possibly a dead statesman - that people consider to have some value attached to them. Not trusting these pieces of paper to hold value I exchange them for things of more value to me - and a few other people, or I wouldn't consider them to have value - let's say gold and silver bullion. This is a store of the wealth I created by making and selling - remember the exchange for those dead presidents - furniture.

After having accumulated enough gold and silver, I decide that I would like to have some land to retire on. I then exchange the gold and silver for land - another way to store the accumulated wealth I created by making and selling furniture.

[ladyattis]

straw(o)man argument...

No.... look at the DEFINITION OF A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. SHOW HOW IT APPLIES OR SHUTUP. I will not allow a TROLL to MISUSE AND MISAPPLY A TERM. EITHER ACCEPT THE TERM AS IS OR GO AWAY.

geo-libertarianism is based on the individual's rights of use, possession, exclusion, transferability of land AND the common ownership of economic rent (the return on land) which is socially created.

common rights are individual rights the OPPOSITE of collective rights which are group rights.

similiarly free speech is a common right

Wrong...you're based on COLLECTIVISM...COMMON OWNERSHIP == COLLECTIVISM. END OF STORY.

-- Bridget

[BillG]

I then exchange the gold and silver for land - another way to store the accumulated wealth I created by making and selling furniture.

Pat, all well and good...but I am talking about the unimproved land values after purchase.

in a pure economic rent sharing system there would be no purchase value to land...only equal sharing of economic rent with your neighbos and they with you.

so labor-based property rights would be protected.

- you don't produce the land via your labor
- you don't produce the unimproved land value with your labor...your neighbor does.

where are labor-based property rights being violated?

[BillG]

COMMON OWNERSHIP == COLLECTIVISM

do you recognize free speech as a common right or collective right?

[ladyattis]

COMMON OWNERSHIP == COLLECTIVISM

do you recognize free speech as a common right or collective right?

Not equivocal. Free speech is the capacity of a free action. Land ownership is a free action since no one is forced into doing anything.


You also have not refuted Rothbard's argument either. Do not evade the issue.


-- Bridget

[BillG]

Free speech is the capacity of a free action

is it conditional?

Land ownership is a free action since no one is forced into doing anything.

since all land is legal claimed you are forced to pay a tax on your labor to occupy a location - unless it is gifted to you.

if you have to pay for something or have it gifted it is not a right that is inherent in being born...

if you have no inherent right to occupy a location then how can you have a right to self-ownership as you can't exist without occupying space?

[BillG]

You also have not refuted Rothbard's argument either. Do not evade the issue.

is Murray here to debate me?

[polyanarch]

Don't feed the TROLL

[BillG]

the state is offering 10,000 for 4.9 acres three years later.....

maybe the 4.9 acres in underwater?

[BillG]

Don't feed the TROLL

poly wanna quaker?

[polyanarch]

Can I print a few things on your printer Hank?

[BillG]

Can I print a few things on your printer Hank?

you want to rent the use of my private property from me?

[BillG]

They are going to TAKE the land

is it land or water they are taking?

[BillG]

They are going to TAKE the land

is it land or water they are taking?

It's his property. Wet dry it doesn't make a difference.

Do you support that state taking private property?

just trying to understand the facts...

you wrote:
"287,000 for 6 acres (and dwelling...?) in 2002 and the state is offering 10,000 for 4.9 acres three years later.....but the land is flooded...if the dam were removed a large portion of the "lake" would be dry."

what are the facts as you know it?

did he buy the 6 acres with a house for 287K in '02 and 4.9 acres were underwater because of the dam?