Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 14

[scoop]

There is some indication of the blinder mentality of the Marshal in his "MARSHAL'S LETTER" segment of yesterday's CONCORD MONITOR @ page A8 in that you (to the Browns) "have now been sentenced to a period of confinement in the United States Bureau of Prisons" but Margo and others: WHEN did you get this (pre-?)typed copy? Is this the one I saw in your hands at the top of the steps right after the sentencings? I was a witness to both proceedings and even emphasized this to Gary on my way out of the courtroom: asking him of this "to the custody of the Marshal" whether or not that includes "house arrest"? 

Joe,

The Marshal handed out copies of the letter along with copies of a written statement at a press conference after the second sentencing hearing. He said that a copy of the letter was being sent to the Browns. It is the one I showed you in the courthouse.

[TackleTheWorld]

Hey scoop!

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[penguins4me]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap either him or Elaine.

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Oops - I don't think Ed will defend himself from Elaine. ;)

[lastlady]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap him (and presumably Elaine).

I agree with the above statement

Recent Open Letter From Ed Brown


Dear Mr. Monier,

    You have stated in the news paper, that the Browns are a public safety problem. Due to allege threats against federal personnel.

    I Edward Lewis family Brown, have never threatened anyone in my life.

    It is unlawful to threaten, however, I have warned everyone and anyone that has ever threatened me; that if they attempt to do so or will do so, I will follow the letter of the law (note criminal law, LETHAL FORCE DOCTRINE), that I will use equal or greater force as the law dictates in order to protect myself, my property, my family, my community, my county, my state and my nation at any cost.

    If you feel that following the letter of the law would endanger public safety, then perhaps you should review your U.S. Marshals rules of engagement and consider who actually is conducting the danger to public safety.

    It seems ever increasing that the many law enforcement agencies are creating the dehumanizing hazards to public safety. We will always remember that all government personnel are either law enforcement agents or revenue gathers. Their primary function is currently to protect their own positions, (jobs), for their own personal enrichment, that is why we always hear them say, "I'm just doing my job." It saddens me that you do not seem to understand the the higher law of man and god and elect instead to enter the snake pit.

[lastlady]

And damn right he should.  It's about time our government learned that some people have had enough.

Can I get a Hell Yeah!!!

[LordBaltimore]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap him (and presumably Elaine).

You obviously haven't been listening to Ed's and Elaine's radio show.

He's made several references to his guys "outside the perimeter" hunting down and killing the judge and other involved in the trial.  He's even said that their families will be killed. 

[LordBaltimore]

I Edward Lewis family Brown, have never threatened anyone in my life.

According to multiple press interviews, Ed spent time in prison and was thrown out of the military for beating a man with a pipe while trying to rob him.

He's also made several explicit threats on his radio show.

Just because you've chosen not to listen doesn't mean that the falling tree in the forest didn't make noise.

[penguins4me]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap him (and presumably Elaine).

You obviously haven't been listening to Ed's and Elaine's radio show.

He's made several references to his guys "outside the perimeter" hunting down and killing the judge and other involved in the trial.  He's even said that their families will be killed. 

No, I usually don't view video or listen to audio. If you have a link to the specific show(s) and interviews in question, I'll see for myself.

Context is king.

[powerchuter]

And damn right he should.  It's about time our government learned that some people have had enough.

Can I get a Hell Yeah!!!

HELL YEAH!!!

Thanks for being on the radio show with Michael and I this morning(very early for you)!

See you soon!

[SAK]

I've never heard Ed threaten anyone.  Ed's a very good guy, and he's got courage that is very rare these days.  He's broken through a lot of his conditioning.  It would be nice to see more and more break through and wake up to realize WHO or WHAT they are.  Free men and women, sons/daughters of a creator (if you choose to believe in such), and brothers/sisters to one another.  Government is a myth -- a fiction -- a creation of the mind.  It is nothing more.

I do not consider self-defense a threat in any way.  If bandits come to rob/murder/kidnap you from your home, you have the right and the duty to fight.  Other creatures do not comply with aggressive predators -- why should we?  Life is worth fighting for.  Freedom is worth dying for.

Ed doesn't deny the mistake he made early early on in his life.  I'm sure he wishes he could take it back.  He learned that what he did was wrong, and changed.  What more can you ask?  No one's perfect.  Indeed, the mistakes we make pave the road of natural progression.  We learn from them.

As far as anything else goes, I haven't heard threats on the radio (although I don't listen to the radio show all the time). Ed can't control what other people do.  If other people act because Ed is attacked/killed, there's not a whole lot he can do.  He's not making an attack himself.  I don't advocate assassination or going on the offensive, as I believe these are generally evil tactics used by evil people, however, I do believe under certain circumstances it is warranted by good people.  If a terrible enemy waits on your doorstep, and there is imminent danger of an attack at any moment that could leave you completely ruined -- what's wrong with eliminating the threat?  Indeed, that is what self-defense is.  Should a man point a gun in your face, you do not wait for him to fire the first shot, only to return fire.  If the marshalls or anyone else make an indication that they're going after Ed -- then all bets are off I would say.

So, I have a suggestion to resolve this situation peacefully: everyone should leave Ed and Elaine the @%_$ alone   Then nothing bad will happen.  Ed and Elaine are not a threat to public safety, as the marshall claims.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  The thugs need to stay away and leave Ed and Elaine alone.

[LordBaltimore]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap him (and presumably Elaine).

You obviously haven't been listening to Ed's and Elaine's radio show.

He's made several references to his guys "outside the perimeter" hunting down and killing the judge and other involved in the trial.  He's even said that their families will be killed. 

No, I usually don't view video or listen to audio. If you have a link to the specific show(s) and interviews in question, I'll see for myself.

Context is king.

Ed and Elaine have recorded 55 hours of radio shows so far that are archived here:

http://216.240.133.177/Brown/07/index.php

This in addition to the dozens of audioblogs and videos posted on the blog.

http://www.questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/

Happy listening.

[LordBaltimore]

I don't advocate assassination or going on the offensive, as I believe these are generally evil tactics used by evil people, however, I do believe under certain circumstances it is warranted by good people.  If a terrible enemy waits on your doorstep, and there is imminent danger of an attack at any moment that could leave you completely ruined -- what's wrong with eliminating the threat?  Indeed, that is what self-defense is.  Should a man point a gun in your face, you do not wait for him to fire the first shot, only to return fire.  If the marshalls or anyone else make an indication that they're going after Ed -- then all bets are off I would say.

Participating in a revenge killing of a judge and his family is not going to make you or Ed a hero, Shaun.

[powerchuter]

I'd thought it was clear that Ed made no threats. He simply stated that he would defend himself from anyone seeking to kill or kidnap him (and presumably Elaine).

You obviously haven't been listening to Ed's and Elaine's radio show.

He's made several references to his guys "outside the perimeter" hunting down and killing the judge and other involved in the trial.  He's even said that their families will be killed. 

Please read some books that my friends John Ross and Matthew Bracken wrote...
"Unintended Consequences" and "Enemies Foreign and Domestic", respectively...

It is my sincere desire to avert the huge potential for massive civil unrest and bloody conflict that the power-mongers are actively promoting and planning for...this has the potential to be an incredibly horrific cataclysmic event...

The world criminal elite, in conjunction with the puppets and puppet-masters, are fermenting an overwhelming confrontation of many different groups of peoples throughout this country.  This has the potential of being a world changing event...and not for the better, I'm certain...

It's time to come together and stand uniformly against any and all aggression, initiation of force, and any supposed "jurisdiction" and/or "authority"...

It's time to shut down the leviathan...permanently...

How do we do this...
Simple...
Live Free Or Die!
Refuse to recognize any supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" over you and/or others!

Honestly, there should be hundreds, if not thousands, of people standing up, standing for, and standing with the Brown's as they stand up to the jack-booted thugs in robes and riot gear operating as dark agents of the "might makes right mob rule mentality of the misguided masses"...

We have millions on our side...from all vocations and walks of life...
There are even some "government" and "military" personnel on our side!

I have heard more than one person say that members of the military are very dissatisfied with the treason being committed daily in Washington and that a new revolution is close at hand...

No matter what happens or when...you can rest assured that tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of foreign troops will occupy our nation as part of a "peacekeeping" force...

And you can bet that the same atrocities will be committed against us...as our troops and private military companies(Blackwater most notably) are committing against peoples all over the globe as part of the warmongers drive towards american imperialism(which is always doomed to failure and collapse)...

[penguins4me]

Ed and Elaine have recorded 55 hours of radio shows so far that are archived here:

http://216.240.133.177/Brown/07/index.php

This in addition to the dozens of audioblogs and videos posted on the blog.

http://www.questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/

Happy listening.

No, I usually don't view video or listen to audio. If you have a link to the specific show(s) and interviews in question, I'll see for myself.

Regardless, no person alive is a saint - that does NOT excuse unjust abridgement of our inherent, God-given rights, not limited to but certainly including the right to a FAIR trial, etc. The tax crap folks are trying to make stick on the Browns is actually one the least of the wrongs done to the Browns from where I'm sitting.

[Mike Chambers]

Early on there was much vitriol in the rhetoric coming from the house. Much of it was not Ed. The benefit of the wait for something to happen has allowed Ed and everyone else to calm down and totally assess their situation. They believe they are in the right, as do I, and surrendering means abandoning their principles. When you live by your principles and your honor often there are few choices one can make and still hold to their honor and their principles.

Believing oneself to be a free and sovereign individual comes with risk in that the "government" believes otherwise and that Ed and Elaine have decided not to participate in the IRS sharecropper program. This is something they cannot allow and will take all steps to make sure others don't catch on to Ed's message. Surrender in this instance will scare others into picking up the sharecropper's yoke and go back to providing the beast with the very best of their labors. Placed in their position, what would you do?