actually doing nothing

[FrankChodorov]

How much of his tax does my landlord pass on to me

if we had a land value tax instead of a property tax the landlord could pass none of it on to you...

John Stuart Mill
"A tax on rent falls wholly on the landlord. There are no means by which he can shift the burden upon any one else."

[KBCraig]

How much of his tax does my landlord pass on to me

if we had a land value tax instead of a property tax the landlord could pass none of it on to you...

Uh huh. Right.

And if the landlord's only source of income is rentals? The money that he must pay in taxes just magically appears, I suppose.

John Stuart Mill
"A tax on rent falls wholly on the landlord. There are no means by which he can shift the burden upon any one else."

Senators Gatsas and Clegg:
"A tax on tobacco falls wholly on the manufacturer. There are no means by which they can shift the burden upon consumers."

Keep living in your mythical Georgist world. Say hi to the unicorn for me.

Kevin

[Russell Kanning]

KB you are looking at it wrong ..... you should ask him if he has any rentals available.

[Fluff and Stuff]

I don't own property (and if I did, it would be put in a tax free shelter), so my total tax paid to the state and local governments is my 8% meals tax.  If I eat out every night and day, spending $150 per week on food, that amounts to $600 monthly on food.  At 8% tax, that's $48 the state confiscates from me per month, for a total of $576 annually.  That's quite a bit of money, I guess, but its FAR, FAR less than what the fedgov takes from me.
Caleb

If you use anything, don't forget about state property, sales, and corporate taxes for the companies that you deal with.  Also, if you have ever driven a car, than you pay a tax on the car and the gas.  They also have more than 1 yearly car tax in NH.  Also, don't forget about all of the extra regulations that are not needed, they are all taxes.  Plus, phone, cell phone, power, gas, cable, and water companies pass on government taxes and fees to you.

[KBCraig]

KB you are looking at it wrong ..... you should ask him if he has any rentals available.

Well of course he doesn't, because owning property would be stealing it from those who don't own property. And of course, being an owner would mean no longer receiving those "rent checks", which every non-owner is entitled to receive from owners, in exchange for being kind enough to let the owners use the non-owners' non-property. 

Kevin

[FrankChodorov]

if the landlord's only source of income is rentals? The money that he must pay in taxes just magically appears, I suppose.

he builds more rentals to get more income...

this forces the price of rentals down as supply increases...

if the landlord attempts to pass the cost along to the tenant the tenant just moves.

thus, the landlord can not pass the cost along.

[AlanM]

Well, Hankster returns. Where have you been?

[Dreepa]

I just read a short bio of Henry George... I don't think I am any closer to come around.

Caleb... start a thread on this tax free shelter....maybe more people should know the details.

[FrankChodorov]

Well, Hankster returns. Where have you been?

just presented a paper at the US BIG conference in Philly and visited Henry George birthplace...

[FrankChodorov]

I just read a short bio of Henry George... I don't think I am any closer to come around.

Caleb... start a thread on this tax free shelter....maybe more people should know the details.

I would not exempt any owner of land...non-profit, state, religious, etc.

[KBCraig]

if the landlord's only source of income is rentals? The money that he must pay in taxes just magically appears, I suppose.

he builds more rentals to get more income...

this forces the price of rentals down as supply increases...

Yeah, I can see taking that to the bank as a business plan.

"Mr. Landlord, you're losing money on these rentals. Why do you want to build more?"
"Don't worry, I'll make it up in volume!"



I like Ron, whom I know has Georgist leanings. But the for-real Georgists cannot possibly mean the BS they spout. One would have to be insane to simultaneosly believe the contradictions, and believe they are compatible in any way with freedom.

Kevin

[KBCraig]

Well, Hankster returns. Where have you been?

just presented a paper at the US BIG conference in Philly and visited Henry George birthplace...

"The Basic Income Guarantee is an unconditional, govenrment-insured guarantee that all citizens will have enough income to meet their basic needs"

Some years ago, Rush Limbaugh responded to BIG by proposing to provide a house and groceries and utilities, all the basic necessities. People would keep the first $10,000 they made, free and clear for casual purchases and entertainment, then send in the rest; anything over the threshold would be used to pay for the house and groceries for those who made less.

For some reason, he couldn't find anyone willing to work past the point of that first $10,000...

Kevin

[FrankChodorov]

the for-real Georgists cannot possibly mean the BS they spout. One would have to be insane to simultaneosly believe the contradictions, and believe they are compatible in any way with freedom.

it has worked everywhere it has been tried...

Harrisburg & Allentown PA the two most recent positive examples.

not just freedom but rather EQUAL freedom!

why were the leaders of the early modern libertarian movement - Albert J. Nock & Frank Chodorov proponents of something that you think is anti-freedom?

[FrankChodorov]

Well, Hankster returns. Where have you been?

just presented a paper at the US BIG conference in Philly and visited Henry George birthplace...

"The Basic Income Guarantee is an unconditional, govenrment-insured guarantee that all citizens will have enough income to meet their basic needs"

Some years ago, Rush Limbaugh responded to BIG by proposing to provide a house and groceries and utilities, all the basic necessities. People would keep the first $10,000 they made, free and clear for casual purchases and entertainment, then send in the rest; anything over the threshold would be used to pay for the house and groceries for those who made less.

For some reason, he couldn't find anyone willing to work past the point of that first $10,000...

it was Milton Friedman who proposed the negative income tax during the Nixon administration...

my BIG would be to uphold equal freedom and would be a right not a charity...

[KBCraig]

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Time to try out that ignore button.

Ahhhh.... sanity prevails!