Walmart traffic light

[DC]

KBCraig, it sounds like you have decided on Berlin/Gorham. Do you know when you will be moving up there? I will have to locate those small lobsters for the crawfishlobster boil before you get here.

[KBCraig]

KBCraig, it sounds like you have decided on Berlin/Gorham. Do you know when you will be moving up there?

We'll be in the area, but I don't know what town. I'm not too keen on the heavy handed zoning in either place, and of course Berlin is a city, so you lose the "hands on" approach to citizenship. I've seen some really nice places in Milan and Stark, and for some reason that area appeals to me. That's without ever setting foot there, of course. We'll do some scouting at PorcFest, and might change our minds.

We aim to be living there around Spring 2008. Sooner if possible, a little later if we have to wait, but we've signed the First 1000 pledge.

I will have to locate those small lobsters for the crawfishlobster boil before you get here.

Now you're talking! A buddy of mine in Louisiana was just grumbling about having to pay $5 a pound for crawfish during Mardi Gras. He then uttered some choice expletives about hurricanes...

He's half Irish, half Sicilian, from New Jersey, living in Shreveport, with a sister in Bath, NH. We're trying to persuade him to make the move with us.

Kevin

[Fluff and Stuff]

Gorham is getting a sorta-Super WalMart, too. "Sorta", because they won't have an automotive center or gas, but they will have groceries and general merchandise.

So there's another one for Co?s.

Are they gonna close the Wal-Mart in Berlin?

[KBCraig]

Gorham is getting a sorta-Super WalMart, too. "Sorta", because they won't have an automotive center or gas, but they will have groceries and general merchandise.

So there's another one for Co?s.

Are they gonna close the Wal-Mart in Berlin?

Same Wal Mart.

The actual border runs through the southern section of "contiguous Berlin". There is a section of what would otherwise be Berlin, that technically lies in Gorham, with 3-4 miles between that part and Gorham proper. That's what happens when you draw arbitrary lines on a map and call them towns, instead of dividing along geographic features and/or population centers.

The Berlin Wal Mart is already in Gorham, I do believe.

Kevin

[Fluff and Stuff]

Gorham is getting a sorta-Super WalMart, too. "Sorta", because they won't have an automotive center or gas, but they will have groceries and general merchandise.

So there's another one for Coös.

Are they gonna close the Wal-Mart in Berlin?

Same Wal Mart.

The actual border runs through the southern section of "contiguous Berlin". There is a section of what would otherwise be Berlin, that technically lies in Gorham, with 3-4 miles between that part and Gorham proper. That's what happens when you draw arbitrary lines on a map and call them towns, instead of dividing along geographic features and/or population centers.

The Berlin Wal Mart is already in Gorham, I do believe.

Kevin

That explains a lot.  I went to this sign and it said Berlin this way and Gorham that way.  After quite a few miles of going in the Berlin direction I get to a Wal-Mart and I figure it is in Berlin.  I guess that is why people laughed at me when I told them I went to the Berlin Wal-Mart. 

Tell me, does Berlin still have around 9,000 people, or do most of those people really live in Gorham?

[KBCraig]

I think the population estimate for Berlin is about 10-11,000 right now. Gorham is a lot smaller.

Here's a Google map of Wal Mart:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=491+Main+St.,+gorham,+NH&ll=44.428877,-71.191063&spn=0.110818,0.330963


The Topozone map isn't as easy to use (and is slower to load), but it shows detail much better, including boundaries. I've placed the red marker pretty close to Wal Mart, on the river side of Rt. 16. If you'll move the map north one page, you can see where the boundary runs through the Cascade neighborhood of southern Berlin. On the first map, you can see where part of eastern Gorham is actually in Shelburne.

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=4920292&e=325383&s=100&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25


I've done lots of map recon of the area. 

[tracysaboe]

In Woodsville New Hampshire we are getting a SupeWallmart. Now we can drive 40 miles in all directions without going through one traffic light. They are going to have to put up a traffic light for the Walmart. Everyone keeps saying that if we had zoning we could make Walmart pay for the traffic light. I said that we should get enough tax money for the traffic light because of the high propert taxes they ( and the other businesses that are coming because of Walmart) will be paying. The house prices are also going up. I looked and I found one place that said a traffic light cost $75,000.

I was checking to see what others thought about this.

This is an inherent problem of road socialism. I would argue indeed Walmart should pay for the traffi light. They're the reason the town needs it. But how do you force that w/out regulations and zoning when the transportaion business is socialized. If roads wer privatised the owner of the road WalMart is building next too could make Wal-Mart pay for it.
Tracy

[aries]

Gorham is getting a sorta-Super WalMart, too. "Sorta", because they won't have an automotive center or gas, but they will have groceries and general merchandise.

So there's another one for Co?s.

I think there is already one in Gorham, either closing or closed.
This might be an expansion of that. It's on Rt 16 going toward Berlin I believe.

EDIT: Didn't read the 2nd page! Guess this has already been clarified.

[Happy Dude]

They always say that. If there is enough traffic, they will put in a light. I guess if the people fight it hard enough, maybe they can withstand the gov guys.
The lights are really expensive. Maybe Walmart should put it in if they want one.

The problem I see here is. That people move into this state to get away from the traffic lights and crap like that. Then they want to deface the landscape with that trash.

Further more I think N.H should have the same attitude towards Wal-Mart as Vermont and keep them out of here.

[aries]

Further more I think N.H should have the same attitude towards Wal-Mart as Vermont and keep them out of here.

Sounds like market socialism to me, controlling which businesses can buy and use land.

Let's stick to lobbying against government traffic control rather than against wal-mart.

And for the record, there aren't really many traffic lights in Coos, and I don't think there are any in the great north woods region, or in Essex County VT.

[Caleb]

Further more I think N.H should have the same attitude towards Wal-Mart as Vermont and keep them out of here.

Here, Here!  Out with Wal-Mart!

Sounds like market socialism to me, controlling which businesses can buy and use land.

Let's stick to lobbying against government traffic control rather than against wal-mart.

Not really.  The enemy is fascism, which is composed of two ingredient:  the State, and the Corporations.

The people can oppose the Corporations without invoking more rules from government.  Just boycott Wal-mart, and it will go away if enough people do it.

Caleb

[KBCraig]

Not really.  The enemy is fascism, which is composed of two ingredient:  the State, and the Corporations.

The people can oppose the Corporations without invoking more rules from government.  Just boycott Wal-mart, and it will go away if enough people do it.

Caleb

The problem is that people aren't fighting Wal Mart with their pocketbooks and boycotts; they're fighting with their zoning ordinances and planning boards.

By doing so, they run full speed backwards right into the arms of fascism. They use the power of the State to reward some corporations by punishing others. The problem there is not the corporations, it's the State.

I have no problem with someone boycotting Wal Mart. I have friends who won't shop there. Wal Mart doesn't seem to miss their business.

Kevin

[Fluff and Stuff]

By doing so, they run full speed backwards right into the arms of fascism. They use the power of the State to reward some corporations by punishing others. The problem there is not the corporations, it's the State.

Kevin

agree 100%

[Caleb]

I personally am boycotting Wal-Mart.  Granted, my personal absence isn't likely to bring down the mighty Wal-mart empire ... but then again, one person not paying their taxes won't bring down fedgov, either.  If enough people start boycotting these stupid corporations, they will just DIE and they will take their scourge with them.

Caleb

[KBCraig]

But the problem IS the corporations, because they are in bed with the state. 

No, the problem of the corporations and state being in bed, is the state. Take the state out of the equation --eliminate the "bed"-- and corporations compete against each other.

Boycott whatever business you wish, for whatever reason. I'd say those using government to gain advantage over competitors are the biggest enemies of freedom.

Kevin