Extreme Politics - not for the fainthearted

[Caleb]

What websites do you go to?

well, putting aside the issue of 9/11 for now, there was the gulf of tonkin incident, and then northwoods showed that the government is willing to commit acts of terrorism against itself to rally public support.

[KBCraig]

Infowars.net
(Dennis Kucinich said), "We need to safeguard our Constitution."

This from the man who is planning to shut down freedom of speech by imposing "progressive" rules on broadcasters and news outlets.

[FrankChodorov]

Infowars.net
(Dennis Kucinich said), "We need to safeguard our Constitution."

This from the man who is planning to shut down freedom of speech by imposing "progressive" rules on broadcasters and news outlets.

I believe he is also the guy who proposed a "Dept. of Peace" to counter our "Dept. of Defense"

[maineiac]

What websites do you go to? You sound too smart to believe that the government is efficient enough to stage the September 11th attacks.

You really had me convinced we had a budding young libertarian genius on our hands here right up until your last paragraph.

I guess there is a semantic out for you in that it was elements within government, as opposed to the government in general, that is efficient enough to stage the 911 attacks.

I really hope you are a budding young libertarian genius, and not just another boring cookie-cutter disinformationist.

<smite withheld probationally>

[Raineyrocks]

Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts has asserted that the only way to stop the impending attack on Iran is to press for immediate impeachment:

"Americans don?t have much time to realize this and to act before it is too late. Bush?s ?surge? speech last Wednesday night makes it completely clear that his real purpose is to start wars with Iran and Syria before failure in Iraq brings an end to the neoconservative/Israeli plan to establish hegemony over the Middle East."

Who has to begin the impeachment process?  I think we need to hurry and do something but what?  Wouldn't Dick Cheney be president then?
Often I think to myself, well they have so much power and they're going to do what they want anyway but that is probraly the wrong way to think because then it makes me say, why even try to change things? 

[Dreepa]

Infowars.net
(Dennis Kucinich said), "We need to safeguard our Constitution."

This from the man who is planning to shut down freedom of speech by imposing "progressive" rules on broadcasters and news outlets.

I believe he is also the guy who proposed a "Dept. of Peace" to counter our "Dept. of Defense"

George Orwell?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Infowars.net
(Dennis Kucinich said), "We need to safeguard our Constitution."

This from the man who is planning to shut down freedom of speech by imposing "progressive" rules on broadcasters and news outlets.

I believe he is also the guy who proposed a "Dept. of Peace" to counter our "Dept. of Defense"

Why not go back to calling it the War Department?  Thats where they plan them.



(fixed it)

[Dreepa]

Why not go back to calling it the War Department?  Thats where they plan them.

Maybe we could have both.

Defense for truly defense.
War Dept for the US overseas 'adventures'.

[Russell Kanning]

Who has to begin the impeachment process?  I think we need to hurry and do something but what?  Wouldn't Dick Cheney be president then?
Often I think to myself, well they have so much power and they're going to do what they want anyway but that is probraly the wrong way to think because then it makes me say, why even try to change things? 

how about real change not just changing of leaders?

[Raineyrocks]

Who has to begin the impeachment process?  I think we need to hurry and do something but what?  Wouldn't Dick Cheney be president then?
Often I think to myself, well they have so much power and they're going to do what they want anyway but that is probraly the wrong way to think because then it makes me say, why even try to change things? 

how about real change not just changing of leaders?

Okay, sounds great to me but how? 

[Kat Kanning]

  Report: US plans strike against Iran

THE JERUSALEM POST
Thursday, February 1, 2007

The US was drawing up plans to attack sites where Iran is believed to be enriching uranium before President George W. Bush's candidacy comes to an end, the UK-based Times reported on Wednesday.

According to the Times, the Bush government has been inviting defense consultants and Middle East experts to the White House and Pentagon for tactical advice.

The Pentagon was reported to be considering ways for the US to destroy nuclear facilities such as Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, despite the fact that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney hoped that diplomatic efforts to restrain Iran would succeed.

Senior Pentagon planners recently advised the White House, however, that they did not yet have accurate intelligence as to the whereabouts of all Iran's nuclear enrichment sites.

Iran's nuclear program has been generating world-wide tension in recent months, despite claims by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that the research is for peaceful means. The UN has threatened to put sanctions on Iran if they do not abandon the program.

According to analyst Shmuel Bar of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center in Israel, an American strike would only trigger the Iranian regime's primordial survival impulse. This would almost certainly result in a full-scale Iranian assault on Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields, in an attempt to exact a price that would dissuade the West from carrying its assault to the point of regime change, he told The Jerusalem Post.

In addition, there is a 'real danger' that the Iranian regime could instigate labor strikes among the Shi'ites of southern Iraq, said Dr. Ian Bremer, president of the risk consultancy firm, Eurasia Group. This could drop oil production from over a million barrels per day, 'even to zero for short periods of time,' he warned.

Furthermore, as several analysts pointed out, any strike that was not dramatic enough to bring down the regime and discredit Ahmadinejad outright would trigger a surge of popular support for Ahmadinejad's faction in the regime, giving him a decisive advantage in the complex power struggles that characterize Iranian politics.

According to the Times report, despite speculations and divided opinions, the favored US scenario is to attack the Iranian nuclear plant with a small number of ground attack aircraft flying out of the British dependency of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

The British would however have to approve the use of the American base there for an attack and would be asked to play a supporting role by providing air-to-air re-fuelling or sending out surveillance aircraft, ships and submarines.

The British Foreign Office has insisted that a diplomatic solution is still possible.

[Raineyrocks]

This article is not a surprise unfortunately.  I've been reading so many articles hinting to the same thing.  Rick and I were watching the news, cnn I think, occasionally we tune in to see if they are reporting anything that is really going on, and they were talking about Iran not complying with the demands, inspectors, blah, blah.  It sounded just like the pre-Iraq war crap.
I think Bush is hell bent on bombing Iran. 
I don't know all that much about politics but in my opinion the only way it will be stopped is if every country refuses to play any part.  With Iraq even though Bush didn't go through the legal processes (I guess that's what you'd call it), he did get support from some other countries.
I don't know, what do you think?

[Russell Kanning]

Well we can sure not support him .... maybe even burn the flags that represent the US government.

[Russell Kanning]

Countdown To War With Iran?
In spite of being hopelessly bogged down in $700 billion wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush/Cheney administration appears set on a collision course with Tehran. In recent weeks, the White House's war of words against Iran has sharply intensified, and grown increasingly bellicose.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis67.html

[Raineyrocks]

Countdown To War With Iran?
In spite of being hopelessly bogged down in $700 billion wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush/Cheney administration appears set on a collision course with Tehran. In recent weeks, the White House?s war of words against Iran has sharply intensified, and grown increasingly bellicose.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis67.html

Yup, that's all I've been reading about on the independent news sites of course.  I have to stop listening to Alex Jones, he's scarying me. He keeps saying, "As we stand on the brink of WW3".  It's bad enough that it may go there but I don't think I want to spend everyday thinking, oh my gosh, what are we going to do, and numerous other paranoid thoughts. I need to learn to stay informed instead of staying scared.