Extreme Politics - not for the fainthearted

[Caleb]

Let's be honest here:

THE FLAG IS NOT THE SYMBOL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IT IS THE SYMBOL OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!

Those who don't understand that are 100% WRONG, and I can PROVE IT:

The pledge of allegiance:

"I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ..." 

The flag stands for the Republic, which I am trying to rid myself of.

I think another thing that you people are misunderstanding is this:  This is not going to be a one time thing.  If I burn a flag, it will be in response to a U.S. invasion, and will be continued on a weekly basis until the aggression has ended.

I might agree that a one-time, out of the blue burn, never repeated, might raise more questions than answers.

But a series of burns over an extended period of time will get people talking ... and the reasons will be part of the local dialogue.  How many people will start talking about the secession idea as a result of this? (provided we do it?)

And aren't you guys forgetting something:  It is within the realm of possibility that the mere threat of this will cause the President to reconsider.  His approval numbers are at an all-time low.  The last thing he needs (particularly if the Democrats win the House) is a wave of flag burnings to capture the national attention.  Don't forget that impeachment is a real possibility for the man.

My mere THREAT of burning the flag could possibly help avert an invasion of Iran.

Caleb

[tracysaboe]

You know Caleb.

If you're going to do this. You could at least hold an NH flag up high flying it.

Then that could tie-into the secessionist movement and perhaps mitigate some of the communist leftist connotations associated with burning the US flag.

You shold burn a UN and a US flag. Burn then together.  And then flying in all it's glory a NH flag.

I don't know. Perhaps NH citizens would then realize your making a stand for NH citizens.

Still think it's a bad idea -- but maybe you could make it less bad.

TRach

[Russell Kanning]

Bad idea, has a good chance of reducing the amount of liberty we have in New Hampshire, by discrediting those of us who are fighting for it.

Well .... you could write our paper and any others that cover the story and let them know that you don't agree with Caleb.

[KBCraig]

Let's be honest here:

THE FLAG IS NOT THE SYMBOL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IT IS THE SYMBOL OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!

Tell that to the American people. They don't seem so prone to hair-splitting. The most anti-Bush Democrat loyalist Middle American is more likely to punch you in the nose for burning what he considers to represent him, than to listen to your argument that it really represents the government.

Those who don't understand that are 100% WRONG, and I can PROVE IT:

The pledge of allegiance:

"I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ..." 

You should go back to school on proofs and logic. You've proven that a socialist-written pledge states that the flag stands for the republic. Nothing more.

On second thought, stop applying logic. Examine hearts, and accept that people's love of the flag, even while despising the current government, can be just as much beyond explanation as your Christian faith is unexplainable to an atheist. Or as unexplainable as my undying love for my wife, to someone who sneers at all women who aren't size 5 California blondes.

You can't disprove emotions. People love the flag for what they, in their hearts, believe it stands for.

The flag stands for the Republic, which I am trying to rid myself of.

Back to your first line: "let's be honest here". You seek anarchy. Why are you using politics?

(I also believe anarchy would be a wonderful system. I just don't think it's likely, because people are human. Mostly.)

My mere THREAT of burning the flag could possibly help avert an invasion of Iran.

I'm sure the president is taking your counsel under advisement. 

Caleb, I love you like the Christian brother I know you to be. For those onlookers who don't already know it, this is a disagreement about tactics and strategy, not a personal dislike. Some of the people I've disagreed most strongly with here on NHunderground, are those I am most eager to meet, and whom I most consider to be my friends. Caleb is among that number, as is Russell. And Jane (CNHT) too, although we disagreed on different subjects.

Peace, brother. I support your goal and wish you well in your efforts, and I hope I'm never able to say "I told you so."

Kevin

[KBCraig]

If you're going to do this. You could at least hold an NH flag up high flying it.

( . . . )

Still think it's a bad idea -- but maybe you could make it less bad.

I think that's an excellent idea. All public demonstrations are about perception. My argument against burning the U.S. flag is based entirely on people's perceptions. If someone wants to go through with it, at least make sure people who see the protest perceive it correctly, and come away with the desired conclusion.

Kevin

[Russell Kanning]

It sure seems like burning a US flag will get people's attention.

[KBCraig]

It sure seems like burning a US flag will get people's attention.

So would standing on the banquet table and peeing in the punch bowl.

[Russell Kanning]

I don't do that sort of thing.

I would think that burning swastikas around 1936 would have been good too.

[aries]

The only time I'd ever purposely destroy a flag... would be if this flag desecration amendment passes and is ratified.

If that happens, I'd be glad to take a trip to Concord... or to DC, to stop on, dirty, tear, and ultimately set fire to our flag.

Why? Because it has no place being in a country that criminalizes such an act. Why - because I "can't."

[tracysaboe]

 

But I really don't support our troops.

That's way too patriotic for the type of message Caleb is trying to send.

Tracy

[Russell Kanning]

I think that is a good idea freedominnh. You should do it.

Meanwhile ..... I am thinking that a handmade flag would look good going up in flames.

[Russell Kanning]

Good times:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Tens of thousands of Iraqi police and soldiers searched cars and secured roads in Baghdad on Wednesday as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki launched a major security crackdown aimed at ending the violence that has devastated the capital.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060614/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060614120831

ahhh curfews .... checkpoints ..... life is good under Pax Americana

[Russell Kanning]

"The crackdown, which army officials said was dubbed Operation Forward Together,"

[Lex]

"The crackdown, which army officials said was dubbed Operation Forward Together,"

[carlos mencia]Ahhh... REEEhhhTAAAhhhRRRrrrDS!!!![/carlos mencia]

[aries]

Good times:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Tens of thousands of Iraqi police and soldiers searched cars and secured roads in Baghdad on Wednesday as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki launched a major security crackdown aimed at ending the violence that has devastated the capital.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20060614/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060614120831

ahhh curfews .... checkpoints ..... life is good under Pax Americana

Pax Americana... I might use that. I like it, it has a sickly ironic ring to it.