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Author Topic: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State  (Read 9839 times)

Russell Kanning

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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2005, 12:32 AM NHFT »

Wilton is out Peterborough is in. :)
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2005, 12:50 AM NHFT »

OK but will this be EVERY Saturday ??? 

I have sent Kat the photos from the TAX PROTEST, ready to post. We want to use one for our site and I'm trying to decide which.

I thought they all came out pretty well....





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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2005, 04:38 AM NHFT »

Kat and Russell, how did you make those professional looking signs on white cardboard?? Not the whiteboard ones with dry-erase markers - the other ones.? They looked like professionally printed signs, almost as good as the big LSF check that was over $100 to have professionally printed.

I drove around a bit today and could not find any of that type of board for a sign OR the letters that you put on the sign.

It's time to shake things up and I need a good sign.? ;)
Which signs where you impressed with?
One of the times we were in Hampton with you....we had really nice signs that Barbara Burbank had made for us......she has a sign business. 8)

Otherwise it is Kat, Kira and Dada with stensils on foamboard. We just bought a couple more for April 15th from Walmart for $2 each. :)



Oh BTW Mike, Michaels (the arts and crafts store) has a good variety of stencil sizes and styls . . .
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2005, 06:58 AM NHFT »

I don't think a weekly Peterborough breakfast is happening.
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2005, 11:04 PM NHFT »

This coming Saturday we are having a breakfast meeting in PETERBOROUGH. I thought that was going to be every other week starting this Saturday, yes?

JP
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2005, 11:38 PM NHFT »

A proposal for a Constitutional Amendment to the New Hampshire Constitution:

An education being the cornerstone of a Free Society, the separation of education and state shall not be infringed now, nor ever, for any reason. The General Court shall make no law touching educational freedom of choice; but rather they shall uphold and defend each individual's right to educate according to the dictates of his or her own values and conscience.


This is a draft of an amendment I was asked to write for our Saturday morning education meetings we've begun having in Peterboro at the Peterboro Diner.

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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2005, 12:37 AM NHFT »

JP, I like the proposed amendment.
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2005, 08:06 AM NHFT »


This coming Saturday we are having a breakfast meeting in PETERBOROUGH. I thought that was going to be every other week starting this Saturday, yes?

JP

I put it on my calendar for the 23rd but have not heard if it's and every other week thing. If so let me know so I can  help you publicize it.
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2005, 08:22 AM NHFT »

Yea every other week is what we thought sounded about right. :)
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2005, 02:15 PM NHFT »

A proposal for a Constitutional Amendment to the New Hampshire Constitution:

An education being the cornerstone of a Free Society, the separation of education and state shall not be infringed now, nor ever, for any reason. [...]


Too late!  >:(

http://www.schoolfunding.info/states/nh/lit_nh.php3

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/1998/claremt3.htm
"The legality of the education funding system in this State has been questioned for at least the past twenty-seven years, and the parties involved in the present action have been engaged in litigation for over seven years. The controlling legal principles are plain. The command of Part II, Article 83 is that the State bears the duty to provide a constitutionally adequate education to every educable child in the State and to guarantee adequate funding.
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The constitutional rights of the children in this State to an adequate State-funded education and of all taxpaying citizens in New Hampshire to reasonable and proportional taxation are not to be denied any longer.
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Now we look to the Governor and the legislature to put into effect a constitutional financing system so that together, in a bond of unity and amity, THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, see pt. II, art. I, may move forward to constitutionally educate our children in the next millennium. "

Article 83 is important in your research for this draft.  How does the phrase "cherish the interest of" equal "shall fund" in terms of the state's role in education?  I don't think it does.  There have been others before us who agree, and have tried to do this.  There is much to be learned from their experiences. 



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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2005, 02:45 PM NHFT »

Yea every other week is what we thought sounded about right. :)

Danke Russell, I have it fixed...........
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2005, 03:26 PM NHFT »

Rather than edit again...

JP, here are some more resources to peruse.  You've probably heard of, if not pored over, these in preparation for your draft.   ;)  If not, they should be enlightening, at the very least.

Article 83
http://www.nh.gov/constitution/lit.html
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This is a favorite of mine, for obvious reasons:

A New Hampshire Education Timeline
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http://www.nhhistory.org/edu/support/nhlearnmore/nhedtimeline.pdf

Pay close attention to the "school acts" that took place in the 1600's and 1700's before the ratification of the NH Constitution. Gee, they were heavily influenced by Massachusetts, if not outright "obligated" by MA.  Surprise!  ::)  I think more research should be done in this area regarding the separation of NH from MA, and the education acts.  I believe the solution to our cause lay in these early times and acts, rather than more recent decisions by the NH Supreme Court.  A finding based upon a lie... is that a truth?  Is that a fact?  No, but it is considered "fact" by the courts.
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2004/HCR0025.html

" Whereas, the scope of part 2, article 83 is not limited to cherishing the interest of public schools alone, but expressly encompasses as well cherishing the interest of literature, the sciences, and all seminaries; and further expressly states there to be a duty to "encourage," "countenance" and "inculcate" many other pursuits and virtues as well; and

Whereas, by its very terms, and in accordance with its original understanding, part 2, article 83 applies equally to the many matters therein enumerated, and the historical record is clear that it was left to the legislative branch to decide which of these matters, if any, would be funded from the public purse and, consistent with the fundamental principle of the separation of powers, these legislative decisions were not subjected to judicial review; and"
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The Blaine Amendment-

The Constitutionality of School Choice in New Hampshire (.pdf file)
http://www.jbartlett.org/pdf/constitutionality05404.pdf
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2005, 11:13 AM NHFT »

Putting together a bunch of information:

http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Compulsory+Schooling

for educational campaign to end compulsory schooling.

Who is planning on being at the meeting tomorrow?
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2005, 11:46 AM NHFT »

Made a short URL for directing people to the school info:

http://school.soulawakenings.com

Wondering if we could do school.nhfree.com or school.nhunderground.com?
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Re: Separation of School and Satan... I mean State
« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2005, 12:08 PM NHFT »

Made a short URL for directing people to the school info:

http://school.soulawakenings.com

Wondering if we could do school.nhfree.com or school.nhunderground.com?

Good job on what you have done so far, Kat.

This issue "OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum?" inflames me the most and I can feel my BP rising just reading the title! (And it takes a lot to get MY bp rising). The whole purpose of that OBE system is to make little socialists out of our kids, and THAT I know for a fact. I fought it for years.

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