Looks like I'm on the Fed's Radar . . . :)

[SamIam]

I consulted one of my friends in high places (so great to have ), and he had a few points for me:

1) The original letter was a bit emotional and unprofessional.
2) The IRS gets letters like this all the time and it won't make a difference in your case
3) Instead I should read Confessions of a Tax Collector

So I re-wrote the letter as this and mailed it:

Dear IRS Employee,

Enclosed is a check for the money you have demanded I pay, which you back up with the threat of violence. I have not enclosed the $272 in interest charges you claim are due. I will not pay for laziness and incompetence in reviewing the IRS's own paperwork. If 30 days is ample time for me to review your requests and respond, then surely, as the administrator of your own rules, 30 days is ample time for you to review the paperwork  demanded of me.

Lastly, I would urge you to quit your job, and find productive work in society. I believe you will find work creating a voluntarily funded product or service much more rewarding. Plus you have the added peace of mind a clear conscious brings, knowing your not helping an increasingly totalitarian state enslave others. If I am forced to pay a portion of the proceeded of my labor, I am a slave. I may only be a part time slave, but I am still a slave to the bankrupt corporation you represent even if I have the choice of where to work.

Additionally, I am not aware of any binding contract between us to which I am party. Please provide a copy of said agreement, to which I am party, creating the obligation to pay the fees you demand within 30 days upon receipt of this notice or with any further correspondence. Enclosed is the contract you sent me. I do not understand the terms and do not believe you have honorably and fully disclosed the terms.


With Love,


By, Sam ***, Agent
July 25th, 2007


So it's in the mail with the check and the paperwork they sent me without any signatures from me. It will be interesting to see what they do. My friend used the term anti-IRS in describing my views, and I replied with the following to him:

Mother Teresa always refused requests to speak at Anti-War protests, but would gladly attend peace rallies. As for the IRS, I believe in people keeping the money they earn to spend it on the goods and services they find effective at brining about change. The IRS simply finds its self with an almost opposite perspective. Per the law of attraction, what you focus on expands. I raise awareness, one person at a time, because there's no telling where the next Mahatma Ghandi is going through life waiting for enlightenment.

[SamIam]

In short, I say: Pay the IRS all their damn money, and get your ass to NH ASAP. Then start picking your battles.

so if you just keep picking certain battles .... does that mean you might remain a slave?

Yes Russell, I think it does mean I remain a slave. The money they take from me goes towards funding torture, oppression, murder, and financial terrorism around the world. And to think after thousands of years, this is the greatest mankind has to offer its people. . .truly truly saddened. At the same time I'm motivated by the IRS's actions to remove myself from their system. I'm meeting with my attorney Friday to take the next big step in brining one of my inventions to market. Then I will truly be free.

[CNHT]

Sam why not just work 'under the table' as they say?
Or work for barter, which is something big brother can't regulate.

[SamIam]

CHNT - That's the plan, but right now I work for a corporation. Once I get a few inventions out into the marketplace I'm going to transition out of the government's legal framework. That's also going to free me up to lead acts of civil disobedience.

[error]

In the antebellum South, many slaves were allowed by their masters to "hire themselves out" to others, for whom they would work and take their pay back to their masters.

[Russell Kanning]

I may run for office here in NH because I have had enough of things like this!!!

the government loves it when you do that

[Russell Kanning]

The money they take from me goes towards funding torture, oppression, murder, and financial terrorism around the world. And to think after thousands of years, this is the greatest mankind has to offer its people. . .truly truly saddened.

Wouldn't you say this is the worst mankind has to offer its people? Almost everything else in life is better.

[SamIam]

Yes, thank you for pointing out my context Russell. We are capable of true greatness. It's a shame as a race we continue to struggle with such fundamentally flawed ideas.

[George_Vreeland_Hill]

Hi Russell.
The government might love it if I do something like that, but they won't love me.
George Vreeland Hill

[PowerPenguin]

I've heard of this happening to several people lately, all '05 fiscal year, all 3k. Did you get a rebate for this amount last year? $5 says you did.

[KurtDaBear]

Well, as I said in my earlier post, I sent in the few hundred the IRS said I owed just to settle the matter.  I sent them the full amount stated, and my check cleared my bank more than two weeks of the date until which they said the settlement amount was valid.  So, I get another bill in the mail this week for additional interest of $16 and some odd cents.

Therefore, it's obvious these people are untrustworthy sleezeballs.  They propose a contract, I meet the conditions of the contract from my end, then they dishonor the contract.  I mean I knew they were nasty-ass bureaucrats and all that other stuff and can come after you with guns and stuff, but I didn't know that they were dishonorable liars of a far lower order than a mafia loan shark.  Well, actually I did know they were lower than mafia loan sharks, but still . . .

So I got ready to send them a poison pen letter, then I thought about it for a while.  I know they get lots of those kinds of letters from people, who may or may not have been righteously wronged, and I'm sure they pay absolutely no attention, then rationalize it by saying everyone is just trying to cheat on their taxes.

So, in an attempt to get their attention and sow confusion in their ranks, I sent them double the amount they had demanded.  I also sent them a couple highlighted attachments showing how I had complied with their initial request and enclosed a note explaining that I wanted to get ahead of them before they found more additional charges.  I added that, if anything was left over, they should "credit my account."  (Since I'm required to pay estimated taxes, I have an account with them.)  I don't know how it will work out, but it might be interesting.

[porcupine07]

I saw your post and a flash of anger crossed over me> The IRS is no God to rule over us. PLEASE read this:

http://citizensoftheamericanconstitution.org/1040_checkmate.htm

[Rifkinn]

So, in an attempt to get their attention and sow confusion in their ranks, I sent them double the amount they had demanded.  I also sent them a couple highlighted attachments showing how I had complied with their initial request and enclosed a note explaining that I wanted to get ahead of them before they found more additional charges.  I added that, if anything was left over, they should "credit my account."  (Since I'm required to pay estimated taxes, I have an account with them.)  I don't know how it will work out, but it might be interesting.

That reminds me what Heinlein wrote in "Friday".  Published in 1982.

"Besides, as my boss says, with all governments everywhere tightening down on everything wherever they can, with their computers and their Public Eyes and ninety-nine other sorts of electronic surveillance, there is a moral obligation on each free person to fight back wherever possible--keep underground railways open, keep shades drawn, give misinformation to computers.  Computers are literal-minded and stupid;  electronic records aren't really records... so it is good to be alert to opportunities to foul up the system.  If you can't evade a tax, pay a little to much to confuse their computers.  Transpose digits.  And so on."

[Lloyd Danforth]

Hey all, it's Sam from Porcfest. Well, I find my self at a cross road. . .  I just received a notice in the mail from the IRS claiming that I owe them an additional 3k from my 2005 tax return. Something about the tax on my return was 19K, and amount reported to the IRS by others was 16K. I used turbo tax, and it's all legit! I think they lost the paperwork on some stock transactions. Anyone have thoughts on what to do? This looks like a good opportunity to start figuring out Robert Menard's approach.

I planned on being much further along with my move to NH before starting this, but there are no accidents. . . .

Your thoughts, suggestions and ideas are appreciated.

'do not yet know what they are going to do about me'

Same with many others who know you

[CNHT]

'do not yet know what they are going to do about me'

Same with many others who know you

Yeah well, I think that was meant to scare me don't you?
It's not like they have a whole lot of choices, I mean, are they going to choose between being shot at sunrise or tar and feathers in the town square? LOL