Dealing with the police.

[KBCraig]

You are definitely welcome to come over and hang out any time you want.  Even if you do piss all over MaineShark's karma.   

Caleb, are you my ping-pong opponent in the battle over Maine Shark's karma?

Kevin

no. to my knowledge I've never smited maineshark. I don't know who your opponent is, but the logical suspects would be the non-violent crowd and the 9/11 truthers. I know I fit both categories ... but it wasn't me. I smite people only if they become government apologists. Like the moron who says that Monier is doing a good job.

I really didn't think it was you, but Bald Eagle's comment made me wonder. I knew if it had been you, you'd have smited him for 7k at a whack, instead of one point at at time.

I don't think it's anyone who even comments regularly, but they sure are determined. Maine Shark's last post was over a week ago. During that time, I've applauded him 6-12 times every single day (just like I've been doing for a couple of months now), but the Karma Bandit manages to offset it, one by one, until it's back down to -5.

I just wish the cowardly stalker would speak up and debate.

[dalebert]

If I have legitimate business in the IRS office, and purposefully save up a green, juicy fart from the depths of my bowels to let loose once inside, am I initiating force or violence against the agents of tyranny?  I'll bet that I'm making it an unpleasant working environment for them though.

I know of a vegetarian chili recipe that should be banned as biological warfare.

David, you described my point of view perfectly. I can't think of anything to add.

[Quantrill]

KB, I give joe karma at least once a day.  I try to do it more than that...

[Caleb]

On the note of dealing with the police, I had a little fun tonight. Went out on my bike and did a little copwatch. Observed three police actions. Made sure to be noticed. At one point, I sat down on the sidewalk and sipped from a water bottle, while the cop kept looking over at me, like "what are you doing." Everything went pretty routine, no arrests or anything and they didn't rough anybody up.

[Quantrill]

On the note of dealing with the police, I had a little fun tonight. Went out on my bike and did a little copwatch. Observed three police actions. Made sure to be noticed. At one point, I sat down on the sidewalk and sipped from a water bottle, while the cop kept looking over at me, like "what are you doing." Everything went pretty routine, no arrests or anything and they didn't rough anybody up.

Cool!  Did you take pictures?  That would really frustrate them!  I guess you can't videotape due to wiretapping laws. 
Did you get the cops' names and/or badge numbers?  Whatever happened to the copwatch database?

[Russell Kanning]

I don't think it's anyone who even comments regularly, but they sure are determined. Maine Shark's last post was over a week ago. During that time, I've applauded him 6-12 times every single day (just like I've been doing for a couple of months now), but the Karma Bandit manages to offset it, one by one, until it's back down to -5.

I just wish the cowardly stalker would speak up and debate.

I smite comments I really disagree with .... I am sure I have done it it maineshark .... I currently have him on ignore, which shuts off my smiting.
Maybe he just has many smitable comments sitting out there.

[FTL_Ian]

Cool!  Did you take pictures?  That would really frustrate them!  I guess you can't videotape due to wiretapping laws. 
Did you get the cops' names and/or badge numbers?  Whatever happened to the copwatch database?

Seems like as long as they know they are being recorded, it would be okay.

Julia and I did a copwatch with a video camera on Main Street in Keene, and the cop didn't say a damn thing to us.

Plus, I thought media could record them. 

[kola]

I just learned about Copwatch and watched several of the videos.

I was blown away at how many cops disliked being filmed. It speaks volumes.   

What happened to all those nice friendly cops in the old days?

Have you noticed almost of all them wear black or very dark blue clothes?

They used to wear the light blue shirts.

I noticed how many cops had no badge or name on their shirt and how many others refused to give their name or badge number. This is friggin getting bad..these goons are are public servants yet they treat us with disrespect and bully us. These damn goons team up and position themselves to stop an observer from filming. They shoved innocent people. They threatened and harssed innocent people. AND they are compiling a list of the Copwatchers and labeling them anti gov-extremists. They are arrogant and rude and should be shitcanned.

This has to be stopped. Copwatch is a great asset. I will be buying a camcorder this week.

Kola

[Dave Ridley]

altho i wouldn't personally advocate all of the things you are advocating in your article, bill...

this fits in very well with the idea that we need to build peacable shields around ourselves and around each other, shields that don't rely on the law, the lawmakers or the law enforcers.

[Bald Eagle]

I'm just here to generate ideas.

Ain't my problem or responsibility if someone thinks any of my ideas are good.

I'd like to see more people say, "Well, that's really dancing right up along the line, but if we did ... THIS ... then it would have the same effect, be totally legal and completely nonviolent.

After reading Roycerson's little story, I don't feel like anyone has made any case against grinding down the machinery the police use to oppress and harass regular people.  They never pay a price, ever.

Corporate Avenger http://www.corporateavenger.info/fisom.html has some lyrics that describe the situation quite well:

I don't cry when the police die, cuz they probably deserved it
Run around with a badge and a gun, and they Goddamned fuck with everyone
Enforce rules made by fools, violence and fear their tools
They dress to oppress, with the laws they arrest, and they leave us powerless

We have created a reality based on fear where the terrorist the gangster and the police
can take away you freedom, your sense of security at any time

Will I cry the next time some fat drooling fascist pulls his back muscles hauling little Lauren Canario to a transport vehicle for relocation to an isolation and "rehabilitation" facility?

Do I cry when some drunk, speeding nazi wraps his patrol car or motorcyle around a tree or a telephone pole?  They seem to do that down here all the time.  That's one less piece of human feces I have to worry about.

Do I waste a minute of my time giving consideration to the poor wife and children the SS officer left behind, when the PBA calls me to raise money to help?  Are you kidding?  On some psycho chick who's world view is so messed up that she married a COP?  She reproduced with it?  She raised them in a household with a COP as an ever present authority figure?  You might as well ask me to give money to support weaponizing anthrax or to a home for child molesters that like to make snuff films.

You want to make these people not want to enforce their own laws. 

First of all, they are not "their own" laws.  They don't give a damn whose laws they are, they're simply the brainwashed enforcers who think anything they are told is "right" and they are more than happy to grind you under their jackboot.

Second, look at what Russel and Lauren DO.  They themselves become in their own person a monkeywrench.  They use up time and money and resources and fuel and a host of other things that the people dealing with them could be using elsewhere.  I'm simply saying that their push could be more effective if applied with a lever. 

Pick out any single incident, and break it down from start to finish into a chain of small events.  Then consider how every single small event could be used against the agents of tyranny.

1. cops get called.
2. cops get dispatched.
3. cops drive to house
4. cops walk out to porch
5. cops grab Lauren
6. cops drag Lauren back to National Socialist Workers Party vehicle
7. cops drive Lauren to internment camp
8. cops process Lauren like a piece of offensive filth
9. cops lock up Lauren

Every one of these things can be used to send a message to stop bothering the free people of NH.

1. If all of the lines are busy, or the person answering has hearing damage, or the phone equipment at the station is damaged or in disrepair, then it's harder to call the cops.
2. If there is civil disobedience going on everywhere, or there are cops on wild goose chases, or the 911 dispatch system got nailed by hackers, then it's going to be a lot harder for the bloodthirsty mercenaries to be sent in against a peaceful activist.
3. It's harder to reach the person whose head you want to slam into the concrete if your car doesn't operate very well, if your eyesight is bad, if you lost your glasses, if you get a flat tire, if you seize the engine up because you ran out of oil, or if you die in a car accident.
4. Walking seems easy unless it's up a steep incline and you have a bad heart, if you're stepping on construction debris with rusty nails, if you have to wade through vines, thorns, nettles, gopher holes, manure piles, etc.  The crummy boots I sold you might catastrophically fail. Wild dogs might attack you in packs, who knows.  You might mess up your fancy-ass uniform on the plants that were sprayed down with green permanent fabric ink or laundry bleach or scratch up your shiny prom-date leather gear and then get a dressing-down from the chief, and then have to pay to replace it all.  I'd probably lose the order, be astonishingly ignorant about what was in stock, slow in incompetent when looking for what you wanted, accidentally transpose number and order the wrong replacement gear, etc.
5. You can grab someone, but you might be caught red-handed on security cameras, by activists with camcorders, by the activist's attorney who was dropping by to see how their favorite client was doing, etc.  The local gang might set off a tear gas grenade in the abandoned lot next door.  Lauren might have some nasty highly contagious disease like cholera or bird flu or plague.  A-choo.
6. It's harder to drag someone back to the paddywagon when they're heavy, chained to a pole, you're fat and out of shape, there's carbon monoxide in the air (we were just getting ready to have some shrimp on the barby), you've contracted lathyrism, you fall through rotting floorboards on the deck, or the paddywagon isn't there when you get back.  You might contract lung cancer, emphysema, muscular dystrophy, tendonitis, gout, arthritis, rheumatism, poor bowel and bladder control, Crohn's disease, migraines, or any number of conditions that make it hard for you to go out shoving people around for fun.  You might split the ass open on your uniform and have it wind up on national TV or most certainly YouTube.  Curse Scooby Doo and those those Damned kids!
7.  Now you've got to get to the station or the jail.  You might have gotten a flat tire while you were out playing bully.  Gas might have leaked out of that rust hole in the gas tank.  There might be black enamel paint of the windshield, a chain from the rear axle to a telephone pole, or thermite may have burned through the hood, the engine block, and into the pavement.  Lauren might convert 90% of her body weight into gassy explosive diarrhea while s(h)itting in the back of the car.  Scooby Doo and those those Damned kids may have erected a roadblock or a detour to nowhere. 
8. Lauren has no ID and will not speak.  Hundreds of activists from around the nation call the station and only refer to the innocent victim of tyranny as "THX 1138."  Trash and zillions of bent nails accumulate in the parking lot and the road to your facility, slowing vehicular traffic to a standstill, creating the expense of replacing tires and hiring someone to clean it all up.  Lauren is wearing color-changing contacts, and has synthetic fingertips bonded over her fingerprints.  The features highlighted in the fake fingerprints are arranged to spell out fuckyoupig when digitized.
9.  It's harder to lock people up when people are so frustrated that they're quitting, there isn't funding, the jail is overcrowded, you're out of handcuffs because they broke AGAIN, and the ones you sent off for repair aren't back yet or the guy who sent them back just shoved them into a corner in the back of the stockroom and didn't call you, or your cuff key broke off in the shackles, .... 

It should be an uphill battle every step of the way.

Now, do you want to get up and go back to work THERE, after that damn new guy who just moved up from VA bought a dog that barks and kept you up all night?   

I'll bet we could hire a lot of EX-cops into the private sector...   

There's just so many ways to be peceful, nonviolent, and extremely noncooperative.

[Fragilityh14]

the thing about the police, is regardless of who a police officer is as a person, I find what they do for a living extremely disturbing and offensive.

I'm sick of living in a country with secret police.

[mvpel]

They aren't secret, they're right out there in the open cuffing and stuffing someone for open carry in the open carry state of Virginia:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255107 - July 19, 2007

Norfolk passed an ILLEGAL 'no guns' ordinance a few months ago (no, I am NOT kidding) and ENFORCED that illegal ordinance against a VCDL member!

Chet Szymecki arrived at Sail Virginia 2007 with his family. Chet was approached by a black female Norfolk Sheriff's officer and was asked if he was a police officer.

Chet responded, "No."

The officer then stated that Chet must leave the festival area immediately since he was not permitted to carry a firearm there. At the same time another Sheriff's deputy closed in, and one more hung back a few feet.

Within a few seconds two groups of officers from the Norfolk Police Department approached.

The primary group had 5-6 officers, and from the look on a Lieutenant's face Chet could tell that things were quickly becoming exponentially worse.

The Lieutenant came within inches of Chet and in a very condescending tone of voice stated that Chet had two choices: leave the park or go to jail.

While appearing to be as non-confrontational as possible (one hand holding his waffle cake and the other feeding his mouth) Chet began to reply that this must be a simple misunderstanding since he is
permitted to carry.

Chet was cut off and, as the Lieutenant leaned in to intimidate him, the Lieutenant raised his voice and just about shouted that Chet had only two choices: leave immediately or be arrested.

Chet was still in shock and once again began to speak. Not waiting to hear what Chet had to say, the Lieutenant immediately told the other officers to arrest Chet!

In the following seconds Chet had hands all over him. One officer was tugging at Chet's pistol, having much difficulty removing it. Chet was worried about an accidental discharge with his family being literally feet away.

Other officers were pulling Chet's arms around his back and cuffing him. Chet offered no resistance.

Chet's wife began to speak and she was immediately pushed back by a black female Sheriff's deputy!

Chet's children were just about panicking watching their law-abiding father being stripped of his dignity while their mother was being forced back and being told that she may be arrested if she failed to comply.

Chet's wife attempted to record the scene on her cellular phone and was told she would be arrested if she did not secure her phone immediately!!!

... continued at link ...

[kola]

Wow mvpel, another sickening story. The SS Nazi Police are starting to call everything "private property" and that constitutional laws do not apply.

Kola   

[AntonLee]

we need a place where there could be a crowd there, to stop this sort of thing from happening. . . . a simple crowd surrounding the police, yelling and screaming might armed with video cameras might stop this sort of thing. . . but it has to happen every time!

if they think they can get away with it, then they will. . . because no one is there to stop them.

[Caleb]

hence, the point of copwatch.