National ID Rebellion

[Kat Kanning]

Here's what I'm thinking on an ID card burning:

Sometime toward the end of June or better yet, the 4th of July, we stage an ID card burning event.  I'd be promoting it across the country with all the groups/people I can find who are pissed off to the max about the Real ID act.  There would hopefully be burnings across the country, and we'd be sending a clear message to Washington that we're not going to put up with this crap.   

Questions:
What would be the best locale for this? 
Would we want arrests for this one? 
If so, what would be getting us arrested?

[Lloyd Danforth]

I would wait until we, actually, have Federally enforced I.D. for this.

Something else to consider.  In a world where government isn't running every aspect of our lives, one's reputation will determine if others will deal with you. In many instances, you are going to have to prove you are who you say you are.
Even in the early days of the U.S., people carried papers, discribing them, written by the minister, judge, or, someone authority type, from where they came, when they traveled. Failure to have these papers made it difficult to get accepted in a new town.

[Kat Kanning]

Unanimous Treason

Got some discussion on this going on here.

Why wait until it's a done deal?  Why not oppose it now while there's some chance of stopping it?

Having papers is one thing, having a national database with all your info, available on RFID readable at a distance, given over to foreign governments....is that what you want?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Unanimous Treason

Got some discussion on this going on here.

Why wait until it's a done deal?? Why not oppose it now while there's some chance of stopping it?

Having papers is one thing, having a national database with all your info, available on RFID readable at a distance, given over to foreign governments....is that what you want?

Of course not.
Then burn some Giant representations of National ID cards.  Burn lots of them!
I'm working on one now, for a print add.
But, burning pieces of ID, like driver's licenses, that people commonly accept, is, not only, low visability, but, people who may understand the dangers of a National ID, might not get it.

[Lloyd Danforth]

We could each make a giant representation of a National ID card on posterboard, with our pictures on them and take turns burning them.

[Michael Fisher]

Here's what I'm thinking on an ID card burning:

Sometime toward the end of June or better yet, the 4th of July, we stage an ID card burning event.? I'd be promoting it across the country with all the groups/people I can find who are pissed off to the max about the Real ID act.? There would hopefully be burnings across the country, and we'd be sending a clear message to Washington that we're not going to put up with this crap.? ?

Questions:
What would be the best locale for this??
Would we want arrests for this one??
If so, what would be getting us arrested?

To create a government response, civil disobedience events could be organized around the country to break ID-related laws.

-Burn passports (government property).
-Burn social security cards (government property).
-I can't think of anything else.? ?????

This is a truly brilliant idea, Kat, especially considering what people are saying about Real ID on the net!!!

[Michael Fisher]

In my opinion, FORGET waiting for yet another form of federal ID to be implemented!  Real ID is the legal framework for a Hitleresque National ID card that MUST be stopped before it is fully implemented!

Burning other forms of national IDs would be an ideal way to protest against this!

[FTL_Ian]

I like the idea of burning a big social security card.  Will be much more symbolic and easier for the TV cameras to capture.

[Michael Fisher]

I like the idea of burning a big social security card.? Will be much more symbolic and easier for the TV cameras to capture.

Good idea, but a symbolic social security card is not government property and there will be no arrest for this.

[Kat Kanning]

Could do both to make it more visual.  A big SS card bonfire with real ones thrown in.

[GT]

I like the idea of burning a big social security card.? Will be much more symbolic and easier for the TV cameras to capture.

Good idea, but a symbolic social security card is not government property and there will be no arrest for this.

I don't understand the added value of getting arrested. If the media shows up and covers the event in a positive light isn't that just as valuable? If 100 citizen show up to help/view the protest that would be even better.

[FTL_Ian]

Could do both to make it more visual.  A big SS card bonfire with real ones thrown in.

*nods*

[Michael Fisher]

I like the idea of burning a big social security card.? Will be much more symbolic and easier for the TV cameras to capture.

Good idea, but a symbolic social security card is not government property and there will be no arrest for this.

I don't understand the added value of getting arrested. If the media shows up and covers the event in a positive light isn't that just as valuable? If 100 citizen show up to help/view the protest that would be even better.

The difference between a protest and a civil disobedience is the difference between mediocre and extreme media coverage. 

[Russell Kanning]

The difference between a protest and a civil disobedience is the difference between mediocre and extreme media coverage.?

I think it also shows the evil of the law better if someone is punished while hurting noone.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I like the idea of burning a big social security card.? Will be much more symbolic and easier for the TV cameras to capture.

Good idea, but a symbolic social security card is not government property and there will be no arrest for this.

I don't understand the added value of getting arrested. If the media shows up and covers the event in a positive light isn't that just as valuable? If 100 citizen show up to help/view the protest that would be even better.

The difference between a protest and a civil disobedience is the difference between mediocre and extreme media coverage.?

There are more factors than either of these to explain what attracts media attention.