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Author Topic: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.  (Read 4418 times)

anarkhos

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Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« on: September 25, 2008, 02:18 AM NHFT »

Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote an essay called: On the Impossibility of Limited Government and the Prospects for a Second American Revolution  In this essay he recommends that the best course of action for Libertarians to free themselves from State rule in the US is to secede as a city, and not as an entire state.

I wonder sincerely, is there a particular city in New Hampshire or Vermont that would be willing to secede above any other?  I might be willing to move there, if there was a organized movement to pull in hundreds of Libertarians.

-Gavin Engel
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 02:24 AM NHFT »

Interesting. I'd probably be willing to move there as well.
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anarkhos

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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 03:14 AM NHFT »

Additionally, wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a nationwide `Free City Project` (a nod towards the NH Free State Project).  Perhaps a single city deemed most libertarian in every state were chosen as the local Free City.  That way, Libertarians would not necessarily need to uproot their families to a new state.  And if the free city was within commuting distance of a large city, then they would find it easier to sustain themselves financially.


The point, I suppose, would be to push for a majority of Libertarian city councilors willing to declare independence from the US Government, and for the townsfolk to be willing to engage in mass civil disobedience when State police and National Guardsmen enter the town.
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 12:08 PM NHFT »

The obvious first thought to come to mind is Grafton. Duh. :)
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 12:24 PM NHFT »

NH is set up for the State to be sovereign... with the municipalities being incorporated and receiving legal authority from the State. The only thing I can think of is the Republic of Indian Stream, but its been resolved to be part of the State (with the property currently the Connecticut Lakes Headwaters).

I'll have to think about it for a while. I know it is possible for a municipality to secede from a county... and property to secede from a municipality.
The economics probably isn't that hard...


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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 01:11 PM NHFT »

The Freeland of Keene - come join us!   8)
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 05:14 PM NHFT »

do you guys still do that Vendetta on Sundays?  I'm really trying to get my girlfriend to agree on Keene. . . so far she's agreed to NH and is warm on Grafton.  I want to get her out to Keene (and go for the first time myself) to check it out.

I already KNOW where I want to live.
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2008, 05:39 PM NHFT »

seems to me that porcs are already doing this is keene and (lord knows why) seabrook.
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 05:44 PM NHFT »

seems to me that porcs are already doing this is keene and (lord knows why) seabrook.

I love Seabrook, some of the brookers I could do without since I grew up along side their rock throwing inbred asses since I was a kid.   If there was a town on the east coast that was a site for a porc to live, it'd be the 'brook. 

however

I think Seabrook has quite a long way to go, a really really long way.  I want to move west, young man.
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 05:52 PM NHFT »

seems to me that porcs are already doing this is keene and (lord knows why) seabrook.

I love Seabrook, some of the brookers I could do without since I grew up along side their rock throwing inbred asses since I was a kid.   If there was a town on the east coast that was a site for a porc to live, it'd be the 'brook. 

however

I think Seabrook has quite a long way to go, a really really long way.  I want to move west, young man.

to be honest, i'd probably move to either deerfield or keene, except that where i am now i have a halfway decent job (at least, for someone with little college under his belt) and my family lives less then half an hour away. i have the rare porcupine luxury of having my family nearby (although sometimes that isn't really much of a luxury :P)
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 10:52 PM NHFT »

I have my family nearby too. . . I was a born masshole.

my family epitomize the word 'masshole'

so I hear you about them being close
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 11:15 PM NHFT »

A nonviolent Secession, hmm, yea, that would be pretty cool.  It would seem to be a logical extention of our efforts. 

BTW, Jared, the more you post, the more I would love to see you in Keene.   :)
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 09:42 AM NHFT »

It would have to be non-violent to suceed. But I'm not sure how to secede from the State... I can think of a few ways to limit interaction with... and I'm not sure it requires a specific location, more so the consensual agreement of those within the geographic region of the new town/enclave.
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Re: Hoppe's plan: Secession of Individual towns, not states.
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 08:45 PM NHFT »

Word choice suggestion:

Peaceful instead of nonviolent.

Be FOR instead of AGAINST.
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