bad vibes

[Jim Johnson]

There is lots of other stuff, but the mission of Peaceful Assembly Church has always been: "To foster Peace as prescribed by God." 

I know (beyond any doubt) that the best path to Peace (both inner and outer) is through Forgiveness.

Almost forty years ago, my mentor would say things like: It is God's job to judge, not ours. Our job is to Forgive. When we judge (particularly holding our resentments) we are trying to play God. We can never win at trying to be God. He was relentlessly telling folks that unForgiveness is the root of most problems, mental, emotional, spiritual, and yes - even physical.
UnForgiveness will eventually kill us if we hold onto it long enough...

He would often tell people, "If you get nothing but one thing from the Bible, get this: We are to Forgive others as we wish to be Forgiven."


I catch myself often saying "peace and forgiveness" as others do, but I'm most accurate when saying "Inner and outer Peace through Forgiveness."

....then you will forgive the onerous tax people as well as the Church Board and live in peace?

[Russell Kanning]

there is an interesting movie in the theaters right now called "War Room" it has forgiveness as a major theme

[John]

There is lots of other stuff, but the mission of Peaceful Assembly Church has always been: "To foster Peace as prescribed by God." 

I know (beyond any doubt) that the best path to Peace (both inner and outer) is through Forgiveness.

Almost forty years ago, my mentor would say things like: It is God's job to judge, not ours. Our job is to Forgive. When we judge (particularly holding our resentments) we are trying to play God. We can never win at trying to be God. He was relentlessly telling folks that unForgiveness is the root of most problems, mental, emotional, spiritual, and yes - even physical.
UnForgiveness will eventually kill us if we hold onto it long enough...

He would often tell people, "If you get nothing but one thing from the Bible, get this: We are to Forgive others as we wish to be Forgiven."


I catch myself often saying "peace and forgiveness" as others do, but I'm most accurate when saying "Inner and outer Peace through Forgiveness."

....then you will forgive the onerous tax people as well as the Church Board and live in peace?

Yes. I mostly Forgive this stuff already, but I'm quite imperfect and need to Forgive more fully.
It is because I Forgive that I am not entirely tormented by this crap.
Forgiveness is best way to turn manure into fertilizer. The more I Forgive the better I sleep.

I wish none of them any harm. Not even that they stub their toes.

It is common these days for folks to say things like, "I'm not going to do anything to them. I'll let "karma" get them."
But, I say, "We should never wish "bad Karma" on people, but rather that they fix their lives so they can enjoy "good karma."

I really do try to live and breath this stuff.
I'm so glad that I've practiced Forgiveness for so long. We really do get better at what we practice.
When I get to eventually fully Forgiving people, Forgiving situations, and even "Forgiving" things, God visits a bit of His "on Earth as it is in Heaven" to me.

These things test me. These things test whether or not I am ready, willing, and able to "practice what I preach."
I can. I always can. It is a choice. But, it ain't always easy - and sometimes it takes time.
I call it "sometimes God has me sit on it for a while."

I wish no man harm, and sincerely pray that all who know me can also find Forgiveness of me for my quite imperfect ways.
There is a lesson in each test.
I was just telling a friend that as we approach the finish line, and the track narrows, it is vitally important that we not knock each other over, but rather help each other cross the line.

[John]

 
I may be Pork411ing something on this very soon:

I think I can see how their going to try this. I think they are going to use "paperwork pastors" against me.

HERE WE GO! LET'S ROCK AND ROLL.


Thought of this tune (which I'd never seen the video for) and strangely enough John Redman is coming here today - probably on his bicycle.
<3 May Peace be with us. <3 

C+C Music Factory - Here We Go Let's Rock & Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEQydmaPjF0

[Jim Johnson]

John buys a church.
John doesn't pay property taxes on the church.
Taxes accrued.
John gives church to a set of Board Members.
More taxes accrued.
John says he is leaving.

Is there something I'm missing?

[Russell Kanning]

I think John is staying.

[blackie]

John buys a church.
John doesn't pay property taxes on the church.
Taxes accrued.
John gives church to a set of Board Members.
More taxes accrued.
John says he is leaving.

Is there something I'm missing?

You missed the part about the letter from the board telling John to leave immediately, and that he is no longer the pastor/sexton of PAC after today.

How much taxes have accrued?

I once worked for a really rich guy who was also very cheap. Anyway, he owned a satellite uplink facilty in CT, and he didn't pay the property taxes on it for a few years. The tax bill was over 1.7 million. He ended up settling with the town for less than 1 million, on an installment plan.

http://cloud-computing.tmcnet.com/news/2007/11/21/3112517.htm

Oxford to get $900,000 from tax settlement

(Connecticut Post (Bridgeport) (KRT) Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) Nov. 21--OXFORD -- The town will receive nearly $1 million over the next 14 months after settling a dispute over unpaid taxes with the owner of a 13-acre business property.

Champion Teleport will pay the town $903,000 as part of the settlement the Board of Selectmen unanimously accepted Monday night.

Selectman August Palmer III said Champion Teleport will pay $50,000 to cover the personal property taxes for three satellite dishes at the former AlphaStar Broadcasting and Broadband property on Hawley Road. It will also pay the town more than $60,000 a month over 14 months to cover back real estate and sewer line taxes. Tax Collector Karen Guillet said Champion Teleport had owed the town more than $1.7 million, but agreed to settle at just under $1 million in a deal negotiated by Francis Teodosio, the tax collector's lawyer.


The Champion Teleport facility closed about five years ago, Guillet said. Money from the settlement will go into the town's general fund.

Palmer, the former first selectman, said having the matter settled will help the town improve its bond rating because it will eliminate a large uncollected property tax bill from its rolls. It will also help to cover bonding costs for the new Oxford High School, he said. "Would I have liked to get $1 million up front -- Sure. But this is the next best thing," Palmer said. "The next time we go for an improved bond rating, this will really help us."

James Fulton, a Greenwich-based attorney representing Champion Teleport's owner Mahmoud Wahba, said he and his client were happy to finalize the agreement. Fulton said he does not know if Wahba will sell the property or find another business use for it.

[MaineShark]

According to the Selectboard, they aren't "allowed" to accept anything less than full payment (but they can accept installments), and they aren't "allowed" to charge less than 18% interest.

[novel]

Not getting better - - - yet.


Another unannounced/surprise meeting was held here ...
I had already made other undisclosed plans for myself ...
James came in (apparently minutes (or seconds) before their meeting was to happen) to tell me a meeting was going to happen.
I help my phone up to him and said, "You see there is no message - right?" Then I showed it to my friend and said, "You see there is no massage too - right?"

... As my friend and I were getting ready to leave, I saw that other board members were on the grounds.
As we pull out of the parking lot, another board member was hastily pulling into the parking lot...
My friend and I proceeded to an undisclosed location ...


The timing of this stuff is getting stranger and it seems to be intended to put me on the spot ... 


more later?
Peace

James emailed you about the need for a meeting needed ASAP on Friday. He told you he wanted the meeting "this weekend" and "ASAP". He then told you again along with everyone else at church in person on Sunday at about 12:30PM and again at about 2:30PM as he was leaving that there was the chance of a meeting at 4PM. If you could not make it at 4PM, was that a good time to say "Please re-schedule because I cannot make it at 4PM".

You could have mentioned "this weekend is a bad time for me" on Saturday, and the meeting would have then been delayed, because patching relations with you was the purpose of the meeting.

You could have mentioned "4PM is a bad time for me" Sunday at 12:30PM when James told you there may be a meeting at 4PM that day. Again, the meeting would have been delayed because the purpose of the meeting was to patch up relations with you. The meeting was not finalized until 2:30PM, which left time for you to put off the meeting, but again, when James offered to call and find out quote exact words "whether there will be a meeting at 4", you declined that opportunity.

You could have mentioned "4PM is a bad time for me" Sunday at 2:30PM when James told you, "I'm going to find out if there is a meeting at 4PM" today. At roughly that time, the board was able to finalize the meeting. Instead you replied that James should not use the phone during that time, although you yourself had left the service for a few minutes to talk on the phone. Is that a double standard?

When James notified the others at church about the meeting in advance by saying "there may be a meeting today at 4PM", nobody there at church said, "I would stay for that" or "I wouldn't be able to make it". Do you recall that? If not, I suppose others at the service should be able to confirm that information.

The meeting was finalized somewhere from 2PM to 3PM on Sunday to be held at 4PM. At that point in time, again, you had never told anyone that this weekend would be a bad time for the "ASAP" meeting designed to attempt to avoid a bad situation on the 8th. Although you were emailed Friday about the meeting, and I don't think you replied.

4PM on Sunday was suggested because the afternoon of the first Sunday of the month is the most common time the PAC board holds its meetings.

Please try and be a better listener in the future.

[Russell Kanning]

wow
I didn't catch all of that, but I did see "emergency". The government might have made me overly sensitive to that word.

[Jim Johnson]

Who chose the members of the board?

[John]

Not getting better - - - yet.


Another unannounced/surprise meeting was held here ...
I had already made other undisclosed plans for myself ...
James came in (apparently minutes (or seconds) before their meeting was to happen) to tell me a meeting was going to happen.
I help my phone up to him and said, "You see there is no message - right?" Then I showed it to my friend and said, "You see there is no massage too - right?"

... As my friend and I were getting ready to leave, I saw that other board members were on the grounds.
As we pull out of the parking lot, another board member was hastily pulling into the parking lot...
My friend and I proceeded to an undisclosed location ...


The timing of this stuff is getting stranger and it seems to be intended to put me on the spot ... 


more later?
Peace

James emailed you about the need for an emergency meeting needed ASAP on Friday. He told you he wanted the meeting "this weekend" and "ASAP". He then told you again along with everyone else at church in person on Sunday at about 12:30PM and again at about 2:30PM as he was leaving that there was the chance of a meeting at 4PM. If you could not make it at 4PM, was that a good time to say "Please re-schedule because I cannot make it at 4PM".

You could have mentioned "this weekend is a bad time for me" on Saturday, and the meeting would have then been delayed, because patching relations with you was the purpose of the meeting.

You could have mentioned "4PM is a bad time for me" Sunday at 12:30PM when James told you there may be a meeting at 4PM that day. Again, the meeting would have been delayed because the purpose of the meeting was to patch up relations with you. The meeting was not finalized until 2:30PM, which left time for you to put off the meeting, but again, when James offered to call and find out quote exact words "whether there will be a meeting at 4", you declined that opportunity.

You could have mentioned "4PM is a bad time for me" Sunday at 2:30PM when James told you, "I'm going to find out if there is a meeting at 4PM" today. At roughly that time, the board was able to finalize the meeting at 4PM. Instead you replied that James should not use the phone during that time, although you yourself had left the service for a few minutes to talk on the phone. Is that a double standard?

When James notified the others at church about the meeting in advance by saying "there may be a meeting today at 4PM", nobody there at church said, "I would stay for that" or "I wouldn't be able to make it". Do you recall that? If not, I suppose others at the service should be able to confirm that information.

The emergency meeting was finalized somewhere from 2PM to 3PM on Sunday to be held at 4PM. At that point in time, again, you had never told anyone that this weekend would be a bad time for the emergency "ASAP" meeting designed to attempt to avoid a bad situation on the 8th. Although you were emailed Friday about the meeting, and I don't think you replied.

4PM on Sunday was suggested because the afternoon of the first Sunday of the month is the most common time the PAC board holds its meetings.

Please try and be a better listener in the future.

Your version of this is a bit inaccurate, so back at you: "Please try and be a better listener in the future."
Where did you get your quotes from? Were you listening in?  Did you record? Will you share your recording?

Who are you? Why are you hiding?
BTW- I'm recalling words, from somewhere a long time ago, about not knowing someone. I recall the word "depart."

I'm thinking that anyone at our regular Sunday meeting can point out many of your inaccuracies. I invite them to do so, although I would greatly caution about getting involved where politicians and lawyers might manipulate the conversation.
I'm thinking those at our Sunday meeting probably won't hide who they are.



As far as the incoming call which I took for as very briefly as I could:
James had answered an incoming phone call. It seemed he might be answering inquiries about me, and when James said "He is right here." I said, "Can I take that?" and James handed the phone to me.
It was a very good friend from my distant past with whom there has been no contact for a very long time. I stated that we were in our regular Sunday meeting and that I'd call back.
Since the Peaceful Assembly Church phone does not have caller ID, I did take the extra time get contact info, to check that info, and to correct it.


Peace

[John]

Who chose the members of the board?

I choose all 5. We were supposed to go to 7.

[John]

Fact check?

"4PM on Sunday was suggested because the afternoon of the first Sunday of the month is the most common time the PAC board holds its meetings."

&

" ... James notified the others at church about the meeting in advance by saying "there may be a meeting today at 4PM..."

[John]

Who chose the members of the board?

I choose all 5. We were supposed to go to 7.

So, if there is any "fault" it can rest fully on me.

But why did they (individually) want to get involved with Peaceful Assembly Church?
What were (individually) their true motives - back then?
Why (individually) Peaceful Assembly Church?