After Action Review: Russell v. IRS

[d_goddard]

how do you expect to be effective within NH then and when do you think they will?

i expect it will require more possibly illegal protests, more vocal protests, and, possibly, some degree of revolution.

Firsty, what you are advocating is giving poison to a dying man.

I can really understand why NH natives hate the free staters so much.
Bunch of goddamn carpetbaggers who think they need to do "protests" before they have even been here and talked with the people who are actually working these issues, but doing so in a calm, peaceful and rational manner.

M.D., god as my witness, I understand the bumper sticker now.

[firsty]

d_g - if "protests" is too broad a term, i apologize. i advocate whatever methods are necessary, to be decided by the peopel in the mix. i may have been sloppy in trying to debate with frankchederov.

i fully support what russell did, i dont feel it was outside the law; i'm sorry if i provoked some underlying feelings about outofstaters.

[Money Dollars]

M.D., god as my witness, I understand the bumper sticker now.

What bumper sticker?

[FrankChodorov]

d_g - if "protests" is too broad a term, i apologize. i advocate whatever methods are necessary, to be decided by the peopel in the mix. i may have been sloppy in trying to debate with frankchederov.

i fully support what russell did, i dont feel it was outside the law; i'm sorry if i provoked some underlying feelings about outofstaters.

the appropriate question is do the citizens of NH feel it was "outside the law"

there will be a time for CD but there is no need to provoke the federal government now.

if we are indeed as many people are starting to realize in the last throws of empire (all empires go down eventually) there will be alot more serious repression coming our way which will work towards our advantage.

the time now is to build the new society in the shell of the old and look for left/right alliances and work on a common vision that gets people thinking outside of the box.

[firsty]

well, it seems that many citizens of NH disagreed with you, frank. i was merely agreeing with them and offering up some more words for digestion.

d_g, seriously, i'd like to know if you misunderstood me or if i'm otherwise missing the point. i'm not opposed to having things explained to me.

thx.

[d_goddard]

d_g, seriously, i'd like to know if you misunderstood me or if i'm otherwise missing the point.

Actually I intended a few things with that post:
1) vent a little, probably because now that I've been in NH for over a year, I'm starting to "get it"
2) just stir up a little trouble. I am a reckless bastard sometimes! 
3) yes, I did misunderstand. no wait, maybe I didn't. Does your use of the word "Protest" include: have coffee or beers and a friendly chat with your representatives, on both sides of this issue? 'cause I know when I just want to have a friendly sit-down with my neighbor, it makes the discussion much more difficult if his crazy cousin is screaming that we're both government agents.

I understand the bumper sticker now.

What bumper sticker?

?Welcome to New Hampshire, Now Leave?

[firsty]

3) yes, I did misunderstand. no wait, maybe I didn't. Does your use of the word "Protest" include: have coffee or beers and a friendly chat with your representatives, on both sides of this issue? 'cause I know when I just want to have a friendly sit-down with my neighbor, it makes the discussion much more difficult if his crazy cousin is screaming that we're both government agents.

i dont consider any discussion with an elected official to be a protest, no. unless you're protesting something at the time, of course. my personal opinion is that there are few if any elected officials that would respond to a friendly chat with meaningful legislation, but i imagine that NH is unique in that regard, to a certain degree.

i think we understand each other. thanks for letting me know. i dont want to stir things up simply because i dont understand something. i'm still getting the lay of the land.

i've signed up to be a friend of the fsp. i cant move to NH because of personal reasons, but i believe that the free exchange of ideas between groups with things in common will help fix the national situation.

[FrankChodorov]

well, it seems that many citizens of NH disagreed with you, frank. i was merely agreeing with them and offering up some more words for digestion.

really?

and how would you know that not living in NH as I do and have for 10 years now?

[firsty]

and how would you know that not living in NH as I do and have for 10 years now?

because i can see into your soul.

[Michael Fisher]

Again, the IRS' land is not ours. It does not belong to us or the IRS. When the government ceases to exist, there should be an auction for all of its assets, and everyone should be invited.

how do you expect to be effective within NH then and when do you think they will?

i expect it will require more possibly illegal protests, more vocal protests, and, possibly, some degree of revolution.

Firsty, what you are advocating is giving poison to a dying man.

I can really understand why NH natives hate the free staters so much.
Bunch of goddamn carpetbaggers who think they need to do "protests" before they have even been here and talked with the people who are actually working these issues, but doing so in a calm, peaceful and rational manner.

M.D., god as my witness, I understand the bumper sticker now.

I agree strongly on one point: priorities. My volunteerism-to-protest effort ratio is about 50 to 1, if not higher, and I believe the same applies to Russell, Kat, and most others here. For example, one of us would do volunteer work all year long and add a few protests per year to the mix. Out-of-staters probably cannot see the whole picture unless they're paying close attention.

Contrary to what many may believe who do not yet live in New Hampshire, most of our efforts include volunteerism that never makes the news, but that does not change its importance. This is identical to Gandhi's methods. We are executing many volunteerist strategies simultaneously.

Many of our volunteerism efforts may make news headlines, but under the name of some other organization that we're assisting or leading, and our names and the FSP movement are never mentioned. We are known and respected by those individuals and organizations we help, and that's our goal. Slowly, we are gaining a good reputation, but that takes a lot of time and effort.

[firsty]

michael, i agree with your post 100%. the only reason my language was focused on protests was because that was the topic addressed.

volunteering is extremely important, and is possibly the best way to express the interconnectedness of all people in a positive way. i respect those methods deeply.

[Michael Fisher]

but at the same time I believe that force is always used in establishing dominion over a territory or eventually to maintain that dominion EVEN IN AN ANARCHY as I have pointed out with the native american peoples.

WRONG!

Sorry, Frank. I wish I had 23 hours per day to correct all of your mistakes, but I don't.

[FTL_Ian]

Why not just set him on ignore?  Surely you know by now the futility of even posting in his general direction.

[d_goddard]

my personal opinion is that there are few if any elected officials that would respond to a friendly chat with meaningful legislation, but i imagine that NH is unique in that regard, to a certain degree.

Bingo.

[d_goddard]

Sorry, Frank. I wish I had 23 hours per day to correct all of your mistakes, but I don't.

Don't worry Mike. I'm sure there's a support group for people like us who keep trying to help statists see the light.
Ermmm... I guess it's called "FSP"