Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[FrankChodorov]

you can't disrupt the official business of a collectively owned building by handing out handbills.

I'm going to have to assume that this was meant tongue in cheek or something, because it made me gag when I read it. Not that I was there, but I have a hard time picturing Dada disrupting anything. He's not a very disruptive type of person. It's just a ridiculous charge with the government trying to overstep its bounds and get him to pay a fine that is more symbolic than anything. The costs of these court hearings has to have already over run $125.

I am dead serious - the law says you can't handout or post "handbills" in a collectively owned building not intended for that purpose as a way of excercising your constitutionally protected individual common right of redress of grievances because you keep the persons working there from being able to fulfill their duties by disrupting them.

you can do it all day and all night long (with free speech and assembly) wherever there is a common right of way though (sidewalks, parks, etc)...

[FTL_Ian]

The costs of these court hearings has to have already over run $125.

A rational observation that won't have any effect on the bureaucrats.  They don't have to care about costs.

Anyway, good luck on March 13, Dada. I hope we get some good news

I'm no expert, but I feel some jail time coming on.     They wanted him to bow to them and pay the "citation".  He did not, and now they will want him punished for it.

[Kevin Bean]

Dada, I respect any decision you make, but I am compelled to share my opinion, by virtue of my being an insufferable knowitall.

A prime reason Rosa Parks is famous, and that the US government apartheid apparatus was dismantled, was because she sued the government.

I strongly urge you to seek legal counsel.

I wholeheartedly agree!  Dada, if you want to sue the government, the Grennon family will underwrite your entire legal bill.  It's another service I offer.

[Spencer]

All you would have to do to conduct business at the IRS would be to ask for a publication / form when you got to the desk (i.e., could I have a Form 1040, please?).

[Michael Fisher]

1. Excellent work, Dave, with your righteous politeness and respect in all dealings with government agents. Love is the only path to liberty, and you clearly understand that.

2. Great work, Dave, with rejecting your options of legal counsel or a lawsuit. Evil should not be fought with evil.

3. You are doing a fine job of promoting love toward all in heart, mind, word, and deed, just as Gandhi promoted. Your example is a valuable asset to this movement and to liberty.

[Michael Fisher]

Anyway, good luck on March 13, Dada. I hope we get some good news

I'm no expert, but I feel some jail time coming on.     They wanted him to bow to them and pay the "citation".  He did not, and now they will want him punished for it.

The more they hurt him, the more liberty he wins for everyone else at his own expense.

[David]

By humanizing himself, Dave has helped soften potential opposition, and prevented the opposition from de-humanizing him.  And people of good will, will support him.  That is the power, of peaceful nonviolent resistance.  Perfect, no.  But a good strategy to use against overpowering opposition, yes.   

[FrankChodorov]

All you would have to do to conduct business at the IRS would be to ask for a publication / form when you got to the desk (i.e., could I have a Form 1040, please?).

carrying a sign or wearing a t-shirt (speech)?

obviously not handing out "handbills"...

[Kevin Bean]

I have to disagree with myself...

The intent of the law to restrict handing out "handbills" is to prevent Amway salesman from annoying you at the Post Office... or other soliciting, they can show you the door.

Is this law ever used to prevent someone from handing their representative a flyer about their organization?

If Dada was a mute should he be arrested for communicating via the written word?

[Dave Ridley]

1. Excellent work, Dave

Taught me well, you have.

[John]

It's a "beautiful stone" that you both cast upon the pond!

May the ripples reach far and wide.   

[FrankChodorov]

Is this law ever used to prevent someone from handing their representative a flyer about their organization?

yes - you have no right to petition for redress of grievances in a collectively owned building not designated for that purpose.

If Dada was a mute should he be arrested for communicating via the written word?

you have no freedom of speech right in a collectively owned building not designated for that purpose - but you do wherever you have a common right of way...like on a sidewalk.

it would be interesting to test the case by wearing a t-shirt with information on it...

I suspect Dada will get arrested carrying a sign before wearing a t-shirt.

[cathleeninnh]

I have to disagree with myself...

The intent of the law to restrict handing out "handbills" is to prevent Amway salesman from annoying you at the Post Office... or other soliciting, they can show you the door.

Is this law ever used to prevent someone from handing their representative a flyer about their organization?

If Dada was a mute should he be arrested for communicating via the written word?

At Dave's "trial", there was  special attention brought to the fact that he left a flier on the counter before backing out of the office. I definately felt that handing over the flier when approached was not the issue, it was the unsolicited act that was the issue. When Dave took the stand they pressured him to admit he left that paper on his own.

Cathleen

[FrankChodorov]

I definately felt that handing over the flier when approached was not the issue, it was the unsolicited act that was the issue.

you mean he wouldn't have been in violation of the handbill law if when approached he had given someone a handbill vs. just leaving it there unsolicited?

I believe he is in violation of the law by even carrying a sign into the IRS office.

[cathleeninnh]

That is the impression that I got. My thought at the time was of the possibility that he was mute. They approach with a "May I help you?". That is soliciting a response that turns out to be written. The prosecutor breezed right over this action and focused on the placement of the sheet on the counter when asked to leave.

Cathleen