FIJA disobedience at courthouse? (fully informed jury)

[supperman15]

what would we burn in effigy?

Judges... or perhaps dress as judges and burn the state/national constutution in  effigy...


I think that a lot of protests/civildisobediance looses points for anouncing itself ahead of time.  I am all for saying, im doing this action in defiance of your bad laws, however i think that can be said at the time to take the law enforcement officers more off guard, while you do want to leave them with a clear line of retreate, it is up to them to see it, not you to anounce it and

When deploying troops
Appear not to be
When near,
Appear far
When Far
Appear near
Lure With Bait
Strike with Chaos
If the enemy is full
Be Prepared
If strong Avoide him
If he is angry
Disconcert Him
If he is weak
Stir him to pride
if he is relazed
Harry him
If his men are harmonious
Split them
Attack where he is Unprepared
Appear
Where you are
Unexpected

[Dave Ridley]

what are some other evil laws that jury nullification helped destroy?

[Kat Kanning]

Did you read this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

[Dave Ridley]

i've read it and incorporated it now thanks
also added denis' sentence

[Dave Ridley]

okie now i am leaning back toward chalking
since it can  be photographed more easily and seems more innocuous than crashing the jury area.

which do u guys like better chalking or entering with sign?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Are there a lot of steps?   If there are you might be  able to chalk the steps in such a way so the message can only be read as one climbs the stairs.

[Dave Ridley]

Are there a lot of steps?   If there are you might be  able to chalk the steps in such a way so the message can only be read as one climbs the stairs.

i dont know if there are any steps but if there were i would probably not chalk on them anyway....i'd like to try to chalk a spot that is easier to see.   

[Dave Ridley]

some questions:  now that he's chief justice of the superior courts does judge lynn still hear jury cases or does he only act as top dog?

[Dave Ridley]

here's some background on judge lynn....at first glance he looks to be one of the more liberty friendly judges in some ways.  he is also a benson appointee with a reputation for judicial restraint.  however in addition to the positive stuff below he has lobbied for more judicial funding and of course testified against the nullification bill.

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The Union Leader
Wednesday 12 June 2002

Judge gets it right
Lynn refrains from setting Manchester water policy

Editorial

JUSTICE ROBERT LYNN has a habit of making wise decisions on the Superior Court bench. Last week's ruling in the case over the fluoridation of Manchester's water supply was no different.

Last Tuesday, Lynn ruled that Manchester broke state law when it added fluoride to its water supply a year and a half ago. State law requires that a public hearing and a referendum be held in any town where fluoride is added to the water supply. Manchester held its own public hearing and referendum, but the surrounding towns that draw water from Manchester's supply did not.

Lynn rightly ruled this a violation of the law. But rather than order the city to resolve the problem in a specific way, which he does not have the authority to do, Lynn gave the city some options.

Manchester could ask the Legislature to change the law. Or voters in each town that receives water from the city's water works could approve fluoridation. Those towns are Auburn, Bedford, Derry, Goffstown, Hooksett and Londonderry. If voters in just one of those towns reject fluoridation, the city would have to stop the process, Lynn ruled. He gave the city until April 1, 2004 to comply with the law.

The case was not about fluoridation itself, it was about whether the law was followed. A lesser judge would have been tempted, as so many lesser judges are, to decide the outcome of the case himself based on his prejudices for or against fluoridation, which remains a controversial government action.

Lynn deserves credit, as he so often does, for sticking to the law and not allowing his personal feelings to interfere. Lynn's restraint makes him a model judge. Would that there were more like him, especially on the state Supreme Court, which last week made a decision as bad as Lynn's was good. But we'll leave discussion of that to the accompanying editorial.
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The Union Leader

June 7, 2002

Judge: City broke law in fluoridating

By MARK HAYWARD
Union Leader Staff

http://www.theunionleader.com/...

A judge has ruled that Manchester city officials violated state law when they introduced fluoride into the regional water supply 18 months ago. He ordered it shut off by April 1, 2004.

In the meantime, Superior Court Judge Robert J. Lynn ruled on Tuesday, Manchester city officials could either get state law changed or hold referenda in six neighboring towns.

In his ruling, Lynn stuck closely to the wording of state law, which requires a public hearing and referendum in any town or city where fluoride is added to a public water supply.

When Manchester held a 1999 referendum on fluoridation, only Manchester residents voted on the issue, even though about 40,000 people who live outside the city rely on Manchester Water Works for their water.

Fluoridation opponents hailed the ruling.

"Obviously we've known all the time we were right," said fluoride foe Lloyd Basinow, an original plaintiff who was later dropped from the suit. "It was a matter of the court going along with us. But there's no reason for delay."

Gerhard Bedding, executive director of the New Hampshire Pure Water Coalition, said the ruling could apply to water systems in Laconia, Dover and Portsmouth, which sell significant amounts of water outside their borders.

To a lesser extent, it could affect Durham and Rochester, he said. He called on Manchester officials to voluntarily stop fluoridation immediately.

The ruling took city and state officials by surprise. Manchester Mayor Robert Baines said he would confer with Water Works officials and others before discussing details.

But he said Manchester voters adopted fluoridation, so it is the responsibility of city officials to see the will of the voters is carried out.

When they filed a lawsuit last year, opponents of fluoridation sidestepped scientific issues about the benefit and safety of fluoride.

Rather, their main claim was that residents in portions of Auburn, Bedford, Derry, Goffstown, Hooksett and Londonderry were disenfranchised in the Manchester referendum.

Lynn agreed.

At one point in his ruling, Lynn wrote that the law "should be interpreted to mean what it says."

"It necessarily follows that where a single supplier services more than one municipality, there must be a hearing and vote in each of said municipalities," Lynn ruled.

But Lynn believes the Legislature never contemplated a situation where a single water supplier pipes water to more than one town.

The ruling "creates difficulties of its own," he acknowledged.

For fluoridation to continue, each town would have to hold a referendum, Lynn hypothesized.

The referendum would have to be townwide, even if only a fraction of town residents are hooked up to Manchester Water Works. (In Auburn, for example, only 4 to 8 percent of town residents receive water from the city.)

And if only one of the seven municipalities were to deny fluoridation, the fluoridation would have to stop systemwide, Lynn ruled. That is because Water Works cannot practically separate fluoridated and unfluoridated water.

Lynn noted that at least three other multi-jurisdictional water suppliers have implemented fluoridation through the procedure that his ruling struck down.

Attorney Jed Z. Callen, who represented the 19 people who challenged the referendum, identified those communities as Portsmouth, Concord and Durham.

Bernie Lucey, senior water supply engineer at the state Department of Environmental Services, said some water companies have many customers outside their borders; others only a handful.

Durham's well is in Lee and a handful of Lee houses along the pipeline are served. By contrast, Portsmouth has customers in Rye, Greenland, Newington, New Castle and Madbury.

Concord has fewer than a dozen customers in Bow.

Public health officials said it was too early to say what happens next.

"Certainly, the judge's decision isn't about the safety of fluoride; it was a matter of law," said city Health Officer Fred Rusczek. Fluoridation continues to be one of the most effective measures possible to improve the dental health of the community, he said.

But Bedding noted that the hydrofluorisilic acid used by Manchester Water Works contains trace amounts of arsenic and lead. Goals set by the Environmental Protection Agency call for no lead or arsenic in drinking water, he said.

Brook Dupee, a public health official with the state Department of Health and Human Services, said the loss of fluoridation will hurt poor families that do not have access to dental care.

Twenty percent of individuals develop 80 percent of tooth decay, he said.

Dupee said it's possible the state would join with the city to appeal the ruling.

The water users in the six towns receive water either directly from Manchester Water Works or from a wholesale water company.

Auburn has 315 water users; Bedford, 5,300; Derry, 15,000; Goffstown, 6,000; Hooksett, 6,200; Londonderry, 5,600.

(Staff reporters Dale Vincent and Nancy Meersman contributed to this report.)

   
     
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[Dave Ridley]

ideally it would be better to annoy one of the more evil judges rather than put a sometime ally on the spot....  but there is still plenty we don't know about judge lynn. 

[Dave Ridley]

i found this interesting
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/superior/index.htm

<<  The Superior Court has jurisdiction over a wide variety of cases, including criminal, domestic relations, and civil cases, and provides the only forum in this state for trial by jury.

      In an average year,  judges and masters dispose of over 50,000 cases and other matters, most of which deal with complex and critical issues with far-reaching consequences for all involved. Almost half of the workload of the Superior Court involves family issues, including divorce, legal separation, custody and child support.>>

[Dave Ridley]

union leader article claims judges put folks in jail for first time drug offenses at hillsborough and other counties while some counties have superior courts that lean toward treatment.

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061029/NEWS0202/110290182/-1/CITIZEN


can anyone name for me some cases in which the NH superior court has violated a person's gun rights or other constitutionally enumerated rights?   i'm having trouble wading through the cases they dont' seem to be well sumarized anywhere.

at first glance it's the drug convictions that stand out as a potential abuse of power, but not much else.   I'm suspect there is more to be found at second glance.

[Dave Ridley]

now i am leaning more in favor of placing miniature signs on the doorways so it seems less like vandalism

[d_goddard]

now i am leaning more in favor of placing miniature signs on the doorways so it seems less like vandalism

in that case, how about holding signs. That's clearly never vandalism.

[Russell Kanning]

Who is a bad judge in Manchester? keene?  concord?

we have at least one bad judge here in Keene that put me and Brian S. in jail for a while .... but I don't think he ever has to deal with juries .... juries mess up their processes too much.