Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[George Donnelly]

those of us who would take Brian's side without seeing the horses in question are wrong,

I don't think so. First off, he (or actually Heidi) is innocent until proven guilty. Second, since the government _is_ force, they're always wrong, until proven right. Third, there are inconsistencies in the stories of the government people or things that just don't make sense. For example, why are they simultaneously claiming Heidi has committed mass cruelty to animals AND are trying to return the horses to her? That strikes me as contradictory. Can anyone reconcile those two facts?

[BillKauffman]

The goal of the "Animal Rights" movement is NO use of animals by people.

The "Animal Rights" movement like the "Liberty" movement is very diverse and very broad.

Isn't that a bit of a generalization?

[cyne]

The goal of the "Animal Rights" movement is NO use of animals by people.

The "Animal Rights" movement like the "Liberty" movement is very diverse and very broad.

Isn't that a bit of a generalization?

Not if you read what the founders of the movement say.   Begin with Peter Singer's "Animal Liberation."    I don't see the AR movement as being diverse and broad, but I often see some confusion about the difference between "animal rights" and "animal welfare."   

[AntonLee]

those of us who would take Brian's side without seeing the horses in question are wrong....

why wouldn't I trust the word of my friend over the thugs?

frankly, I was trying to put aside the fact that many of us on here have not seen the horses, so the inevitable "you've not seen them. . .well YOU haven't seen them. . . but YOU haven't seen them either" argument could be used over and over and over and over. 

I was hoping someone would see that the point of what I wrote wasn't that the horses were or were not abused, but the simple fact that stealing someone's property, no matter what condition it is AND what condition you think it should be in, is wrong.

I've never met Brian or any of his family, but I'm not at all ashamed to say that the theft of his property and the fact he was searched without permission is downright dastardly and shameful.

[Peacemaker]

I think this point is Important to Keep in Mind:

The Government Papers on this are Still "Sealed" as far as I know.  One would think if someone was operating 100% Honestly and in the Light of Day, in the Right, that they would have Nothing to Hide and everything to Show/Share what they have found.  Not the Case at all here, what we Get is SECRECY from the Government (for Our protection? No rather for The Thugs Protection).

The Government was "supposed to" Serve & Protect the People (yeah right!).  Obviously, it's the other way around in Reality.  So why the Secrecy?  What are they hiding?  Very SHADY way to Act if you ask me.

How can Anyone trust those who are not 100% Upfront, Open & Honest? (except for those who are so Brainwashed/Indoctrinated by their Government Education that they will let the Thugs with Guns do anything they want because they don't know their rights and they are scared).   Obey, Obey and Obey and this is what many consider Freedom?  Not me.

There's a better way and it doesn't Involve Thugs sticking Guns in your face, for "Your" protection.

[Keyser Soce]

Any pictures that I have would require the permission of candia pd for me to release....

Why do you need permission from the police to post a picture?

As far as allowing your members to see these horses,if candia pd gives you permission,I would love to show these horses..But don't call me before candia does, you will not like what I say to you ..And I will make the appointment to fit my day, not yours.

Why do you need permission from the police to have people over to your house? I don't need permission from the Candia police department to do anything. In case that was unclear I'll restate it. There is no action in this world that I could take which would require permission from Candia PD nor do I recognize their authority to issue permission to me (or you for that matter).

the NH horse community is pretty tight and like it or not you will be watched,trust is earned with us and hard to repair when damaged it. maybe you don't care but we come in handy when you need us

The NH freedom community is pretty tight and like it or not you will be watched, trust is earned with us and hard to repair when damaged. Maybe you don't care but we come in handy when you need us.

[Tim L]

Well said.

[erisian]

The "Animal Rights" movement like the "Liberty" movement is very diverse and very broad.

The "Animal Rights" movement is broad only in the sense that there are a lot of animal lovers who have been duped into believing that they are in favor of "Animal Rights" by fraudulent organizations like the HSUS and PETA, who get most of their funding from donations scammed from these duped people by misleading and false advertising.
As cyne said, there is a big difference between "Animal Rights" and "Animal Welfare".

[leetninja]

I'm still waiting for Amanda to post her PROOF.  Though it seems as though she took the alternate option which was shutting the fuck up so maybe i shouldnt gripe 

Also, sorry for getting the name wrong Joe.  I dont see why you would need permission for the PD to let me or anyone else come visit on your farm. 

I dont know who the "one of your own" person is nor have they come forward here unless i missed it? 

You know what though ... I'd like to come and take a look at the horses personally just to satisfy my own curiousness about this whole thing.  I think it is pretty clear that different people have different stands on this issue but I have been saying from the beginning that pictures/video of the horses would put almost everything if not all to rest. 

Did you or anyone you know of take pictures of the horses the same day that they were seized?  I ask for a few reasons but mainly because I seem to see an emerging pattern of "cant post pictures because ___________________________" and the blank is usually filled in with permission from PD, ongoing investigation, confidential, or some other blah blah blah BS excuse which I don't really buy.  Personally I dont see why you would need permission to post pictures on the internet.  Especially given that they were on the news and broadcast to the world.  I can also honestly say that if the horses really were abused in a horrible way that i would be in favor of the animals being taken from their abusive owner(s) but it would have to be ABUSE - beating, fighting, torturing, or something along those lines.  I rescued my dog from a neglectful family who didnt feed him or take care of him at all, he was skin and bones and scared of everything and now he is the best dog i have ever owned.  I think the people who i got him from are rather horrible people and i hope they never own another animal again.  I think Michael Vick belongs in prison for what he did.  I don't know the Travis' and i wont jump on their side 100% on every topic at hand, but they just dont seem like people who abuse or neglect their animals maybe im wrong but whatever.  I guess that is one of many reasons why I personally just have an urge to know what the real story is etc.   

Sealed envelopes dont help and neither does that fact that Sprowl is a dickhead.  Sorry if he is like your buddy or something.  I dont think he is because you mentioned he has given you "suggestions" as well.  I personally dont see them as suggestions do you?  If you hadnt followed them would he have seized your horses? 

You seem like a decent guy and much like me someone who doesnt put up with bullshit to be blunt.  Either way - I have a pretty busy schedule but if you were willing maybe myself and another person could come and visit.  I could give you my personal guarantee (if that means anything to you) that we wont be there to harass you or give you a ridiculous amount of flak for having the horses on your property, or anything like that. 

[lastlady]

the NH horse community is pretty tight and like it or not you will be watched,trust is earned with us and hard to repair when damaged it. maybe you don't care but we come in handy when you need us

ah yes, if you defy the rules of the NH horse community, you will be punished. . . you will be jailed. . . you will be stolen from. . . .and you will die. . . all hail the NH horse community.

what a crock, get over yourself.  You think you're high and mighty but all you really are is a thief.

amen brotha!

[Keyser Soce]

As far as the police go,its a job.  .They don't make the laws ,the NH house does...They work with the laws that they are given and at the top of this heap is the state reps..Who were elected by majority in there district..But I am sure all of you know this So if you want to bitch ,, then start with them..

There is a law which requires people to get permission from the police department to visit your house? Any chance you could tell us which one that is? I'll give you head start.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/indexes/

[lastlady]

The goal of the "Animal Rights" movement is NO use of animals by people.

The "Animal Rights" movement like the "Liberty" movement is very diverse and very broad.

Isn't that a bit of a generalization?

I was just going to write the same thing. I consider myself an animal lover and look forward to the day where we honor and respect life, even if we take an animals life, while they are here, I wish they were treated with love and compassion. I do so admire the way the native americans respected and treated life.

I know a woman who is a vegan and works with animal rescue, she despises PETA. I have friends who are involved in the animal rights movement, they are considered terrorists by the gov, and harassed for their beliefs.

What has gone on here is sickening at the very least. Why I was just sitting at the table across from Brian at the Liberty Forum's Saturday night dinner and joking about how stupid this situation was, I said they should fine the horses for not staying in their shelter, and we all chuckled, and 48 hours later he is being attacked and stolen from. Shame on those who participated! As good neighbors, lend a hand, show some support, donate time and money to help. Why stealing and creating severe financial damage to a family is the way to go I will never understand.

Sometimes I get so irritated I just think, people you get what you deserve, thats the only "good" part of the horrible future that may be upon the horizon, a big fat I TOLD YOU SO!!! You didn't like freedom anyway did you? Of course I don't want that but sometimes it helps dealing with the Nanny State lovers.

[J Leblanc]

This post is directed to Leeninja.I will send you my cell phone number to discuss the option of a visit through the email of this site..I will bounce this off the chief to see what he thinks .but if I think for one second that you are one of these assholes that is just trying to start shit for there own ego kick, then the discussion will be over.I ,unlike allot of you , have respect for the chief [Mike].Believe it or not , he has been very good about this case . He has taken allot of shit and still he has been professional about it. I would have told many to kiss my ass.I make no garrantee's to the out come .You can call my cell between 8am and 5 pm tomorrow.We will see what happens.. 

[lastlady]

This post is directed to Leeninja.I will send you my cell phone number to discuss the option of a visit through the email of this site..I will bounce this off the chief to see what he thinks .but if I think for one second that you are one of these assholes that is just trying to start shit for there own ego kick, then the discussion will be over.I ,unlike allot of you , have respect for the chief [Mike].Believe it or not , he has been very good about this case . He has taken allot of shit and still he has been professional about it. I would have told many to kiss my ass.I make no garrantee's to the out come .You can call my cell between 8am and 5 pm tomorrow.We will see what happens.. 

What goes around comes around. May justice come to you.

[cyne]

I consider myself an animal lover and look forward to the day where we honor and respect life, even if we take an animals life, while they are here, I wish they were treated with love and compassion.

  This reflects a concern for animal welfare, nothing to do with the animal rights agenda. 

I know a woman who is a vegan and works with animal rescue, she despises PETA.

PETA kills most of the animals they get their hands on.  Some statistics in this blog post by Nathan Winograd:
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?page_id=166

I have friends who are involved in the animal rights movement, they are considered terrorists by the gov, and harassed for their beliefs.

  There's good reason to consider AR activists terrorists.  They're proud of the damage they do.  These are not "kind"  people.   http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/animalrightsquote.htm#Crimin