Ticketed for not having paid gov't (vehicle registration)

[Lloyd Danforth]

He could have a bill ready to hand to someone in the court

[enloopious]

I would recommend taking the easiest way out of this and working towards a car that you own. Once you have the Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) you can then fight with a legal leg to stand on. You wont need plates, a license, or registration... then fighting it will make better sense (This is of course assuming you are not going the agitator route.)

[Dave Ridley]

i'll post a video update on this in the next few days probably .

[FTL_Ian]

Thank you and thank you.
Ian, what are the requirements the court wanted on your camera for the last traffic court trial? 

The main one was that you not shoot the spectators.  No interviews in the courtroom.  They prefer that you use a tripod.  Basically, the more they believe that you are a member of the press, the better they will treat you.   A press badge will come in handy.

They also want notification in advance, though the first time that I showed up without notification I was allowed to record.  This may have been because of my press badge.

[FTL_Ian]

Finally got a court date.  3-17-08 at 10:00 am.  For those interested, in the process, feel free to come.  It is interesting.  You go into the room, and there is a line in the middle of the room, for people to talk to, I assume prosecutors to arrange payments for various charges.  The gov't gives tickets out like Mcdonalds serves burgers.  It is a huge money making racket. 
Don't believe me?  Then follow me to the court room, and if it is like the session that my buddy went to, you will believe me then. 
Oh, NO weapons in the court house.  Felony. 

  This is Keene District Court, correct?

[John Edward Mercier]

I would recommend taking the easiest way out of this and working towards a car that you own. Once you have the Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) you can then fight with a legal leg to stand on. You wont need plates, a license, or registration... then fighting it will make better sense (This is of course assuming you are not going the agitator route.)

He wasn't ticketed for not owning the car. He was ticketed for not paying the tax on the road.

[John Edward Mercier]

He could have a bill ready to hand to someone in the court

I love it.

[David]

He could have a bill ready to hand to someone in the court

I love it.

Yes, Keene district court.  3 washington street.  I assume the same place as u turn Dave.

[srqrebel]

He could have a bill ready to hand to someone in the court

I love it.

...Unfortunately he won't be paid for his time... I really hate that.

Hey John, could it be we're rubbing off on you a bit?

As far as getting compensated for his time if found not guilty, if the "State" is actually a necessary evil that preserves civility, having the moral high ground and authority to override the individual, then there exists no obligation to compensate an individual innocently accused, for it is just the price that is paid for a system that works better than any alternative.  If the "State" were to adopt a policy of compensation, it would just serve to penalize the public (taxpayers) for not having a more perfect system.

In other words, if the only alternative is to leave you at the mercy of criminals and irresponsible people, then the "State" has already done you a favor by making it possible for you to live in relative security.  If you end up on "the wrong end of justice" on occasion, it is just a part of the price you pay for greater security.

On the other hand, if government as we know it is an infringement on the sovereignty of the individual (and I would agree that it is), then its agents certainly have an obligation to compensate innocent individuals for wasting their time.  If this were done, there might actually be a greater impetus for migrating to a better system, one that is less burdensome and more fair, such as a free market based system.

[dalebert]

If you end up on "the wrong end of justice" on occasion, it is just a part of the price you pay for greater security.

I'll have to remember this point for future discourse. Good point.

[srqrebel]

If you end up on "the wrong end of justice" on occasion, it is just a part of the price you pay for greater security.

I'll have to remember this point for future discourse. Good point.

Not sure if that was sarcasm, Dale

Hopefully you weren't taking that statement out of context... I was only playing devil's advocate.  The point is, being left to the mercy of criminals and irresponsible folks is not the only alternative to the current system of government -- the "invisible hand" of the free market is a far superior alternative.

If the current system of government were the most superior system conceivable, only then I would claim that statement as true.

[dalebert]

I think the statement, in the proper context, helps drive home one of the many flaws in minarchist logic.

[enloopious]

I would recommend taking the easiest way out of this and working towards a car that you own. Once you have the Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) you can then fight with a legal leg to stand on. You wont need plates, a license, or registration... then fighting it will make better sense (This is of course assuming you are not going the agitator route.)

He wasn't ticketed for not owning the car. He was ticketed for not paying the tax on the road.

Doesn't the Constitution guarantee you the right to travel in the US freely? You surely mean the tax on the car, right? Unless of course it's a privately owned toll road and he busted through the toll gate. You east coasteners are weird

[J’raxis 270145]

I would recommend taking the easiest way out of this and working towards a car that you own. Once you have the Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) you can then fight with a legal leg to stand on. You wont need plates, a license, or registration... then fighting it will make better sense (This is of course assuming you are not going the agitator route.)

He wasn't ticketed for not owning the car. He was ticketed for not paying the tax on the road.

Doesn't the Constitution guarantee you the right to travel in the US freely? You surely mean the tax on the car, right? Unless of course it's a privately owned toll road and he busted through the toll gate. You east coasteners are weird

The Constitution says nothing about the right to travel; it comes from English common law. (The Constitution ought to protect it, however, via the Ninth Amendment.) I've heard the argument made that the reason it wasn't enumerated in the Bill of Rights is that, much like a right to personal privacy, it was considered so blazingly obvious to the founders that it was unthinkable to them that any government would one day trample on it.

[John Edward Mercier]

We don't pay for travel... we pay for maintenance.
All roads in NH other than those that were King's Highway during the monarchy, were once originally private.
Until a few years ago, most roads in northern NH were Class 5 or 6 (dirt, unmaintained). As the public continually demand better roads to ease travel the costs accelerate and this is the funding method that the municipalities use. The State mainly uses State gas tax and tolls.