Big, bad news! Liberty Dollar offices raided.

[Little Owl]

John, instead of assuming we all know what you're talking about, could you elaborate?  What Liberty Dollars were stolen, by whom, when, and why?

[John]

sorry.  http://www.freetalklive.com/index.php  11/15/07

[John]

probably/maybe better to listen live though, and catch up later . . .
FTL is live 7-10 EST M-Sat.

[coffeeseven]

WTF!  The federal government is revolting - why aren't you?

I've always been revolting. Now I'm rebelling.

[CNHT]

I know it's from a commie's son - Arlo Guthrie - but it's still good. From Alice's Restaurant:

======================================================
And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints.  And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if you're in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.".  And walk out.  You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.
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LOL Pat must you remind me that I played that song ad nauseum in coffeehouses all over Cambridge in the 60s?

What a blast from the past!

[penguins4me]

von Nothaus was arrested?

No, but he said he expects to be arrested.

I doubt he'll be arrested. If he were, the government might have to admit it was wrong and give all the gold and silver back.

If it's true that asset forfeiture laws were used to steal LD's assets, then regardless of whether or not they arrest him, he'll still have a difficult time getting those assets back. Those are some of the most insidious laws on the books today, completely and utterly in violation of due process.

[CNHT]

Barter = illegal? Arrest me NOW! And get it over with. 

[Pat McCotter]

I know it's from a commie's son - Arlo Guthrie - but it's still good. From Alice's Restaurant:

======================================================
And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints.  And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if you're in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.".  And walk out.  You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.
======================================================

LOL Pat must you remind me that I played that song ad nauseum in coffeehouses all over Cambridge in the 60s?

What a blast from the past!

Yeah, Gloria and I went to see Arlo in 2005 when he played the Concord Capital Center.

[Crocuta]

von Nothaus was arrested?

No, but he said he expects to be arrested.

Well, even more reason to get behind Dr. Paul.  If they do arrest BVN, or anyone else, President Paul can grant them all pardons in January.

[Dreepa]

There are 2 you tube videos up... MSNBC has an article up.. and a rumor is that Washington Post has an article coming out.

It seems that they raided when all the Ron Paul dollar coppers where there.

In the positive sense... maybe people will ask something about silver backed dollars vs.... nothing backed dollars.

Bernard will be on fire when he is at the Liberty Forum.

[KBCraig]

The affidavit further details Liberty Dollar's structure and terms it a
"multi-level marketing scheme."

MLMs are not illegal. (Annoying, but not illegal.)

The FBI claims the company realizes a
profit by selling the Liberty Dollars into circulation.

Wait, you mean this private, for-profit company is making a profit?

[mvpel]

Are HR department-sponsored recruiting bonuses annoying?

[Dave Ridley]

Ridley Report on NH reaction to the raid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SjQBSgnsaMo

[Jim Johnson]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/national/main3513982.shtml

Feds Seize Fake Coins Featuring Ron Paul
Raid Of Fake Currency HQ In Indiana Nets Coins Featuring GOP Presidential Candidate
Comments 61
EVANSVILLE, Ind., Nov. 16, 2007

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Federal agents raided the headquarters of a group that produces illegal currency and puts it in circulation, seizing gold, silver and two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. (AP)



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(AP) Federal agents raided the headquarters of a group that produces illegal currency and puts it in circulation, seizing gold, silver and two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Agents also took records, computers and froze the bank accounts at the "Liberty Dollar" headquarters during the Thursday raid, Bernard von NotHaus, founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act & Internal Revenue Code, said in an interview.

The organization, which is critical of the Federal Reserve, has repeatedly clashed with the federal government, which contends that the gold, silver and copper coins it produces are illegal. NORFED claims its Liberty Dollars are inflation free and can restore stability to financial markets by allowing commerce based on a currency that does not fluctuate in value like the U.S. dollar.

"They're running scared right now and they had to do something," von NotHaus told The Associated Press Friday. "I'm volunteering to meet the agents and get arrested so we can thrash this out in court."

Wendy Osborne, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Indianapolis office, declined to comment and referred all questions to the U.S. attorney's office for the Western District of North Carolina. Suellen Pierce, a spokeswoman for that office, also declined to comment.

In a federal seizure warrant given to the AP by von NotHaus, federal agents allege the money and other properties seized in the raid were linked to money laundering, mail fraud and wire fraud.

The raid comes eight months after von NotHaus filed a lawsuit in federal court in Evansville seeking a permanent injunction to stop the federal government from labeling the Liberty Dollar an illegal currency.

The U.S. Mint issued a warning this year that the Liberty Dollar violated the Constitution and warned consumers against using them unsuspectingly.

Paul's campaign said it had not authorized production of the Ron Paul dollars.

"We have no connection with that," said Jesse Benton, a campaign spokesman for Paul. "He was using Ron as a marketing technique. We didn't have anything to do with that or sanction it or give permission in any way."

[mvpel]

Okay, so the Associated Press is now the arbiter of guilt or innocence, legality or illegality, is it?  Just like the United States Mint, right?



They'll call a rapist or murderer "alleged," but they'll slap on the "illegal" label right away for a goateed financial wonk.