Firecracker Joe and Rocco imprisoned

[Russell Kanning]

i would guess that they scare him with 15-20 years .... then he will plead guilty to something when they offer him 5

[Mike Barskey]

Firecracker Joe has been added to Mail-to-Jail.

[doobie]

For being drunk and stupid?!?!?!

I think I might throw up.   

And if it were someone with money and a good lawyer, he'd be out in a week and driving again....

[FTL_Ian]

Nice guy, pretty dog - such a shame.  Thanks for the MTJ, Mike.  I have availed myself of it.

[mackler]

Perhaps one of you could step up and help Joe.

I've heard this expression before...that a lawyer should "step up" and help someone.  What does that mean exactly?  Why don't I ever hear the suggestion that plumbers, for example, should "step up" and help someone?

If your toilet is backed up, you don't wait around for a passing plumber to come save you like some kind of first-responder, do you?  If you need a plumber, you call and hire one.

And if you aren't satisfied with any of the lawyers you know, maybe you should step up and go to law school so you can show the rest of us how it's done.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I don't know where you have been, but Porcs have been helping other Porcs with plumbing, roofing,car repairs, deck building, Shed building and at least one addition, for several years now.
Often we give away expertise that took longer to acquire than you have been alive. Many share their expertise for rates well below market.
I know that to do what I do, building and repairing, shelter that people actually need, I have to know 10 times what any lawyer or doctor has to know.

[Russell Kanning]

And if it were someone with money and a good lawyer, he'd be out in a week and driving again....

for all the times he has been in trouble with the cops ..... they would just have more of his money and the lawyer would be getting rich
they want your money or your life ... when you finally run out of money or say no ... the off to jail you go

so true Lloyd
i don't really expect anyone to give away their labor or knowledge for free, but when people talk about how good it is to have lawyers in our movement, I laugh. If you have to pay for them, and especially if they can't really help you, then why do we need them brought in. We could just hire the rotten lawyers who are already here.
If one lawyer started offering his services to causes he actually believed in for say .... half price. We would start to be impressed.
Kat and I had a free lawyer from the nhaclu, but even he wanted me to bow down to the court so we had to go our separate ways.


it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. I think lawyers are excluded by definition.

[Lance]

i would guess that they scare him with 15-20 years .... then he will plead guilty to something when they offer him 5

It usually seems to go like that.

Kat and I had a free lawyer from the nhaclu, but even he wanted me to bow down to the court so we had to go our separate ways.

How so?  I presume you don't mean he wanted you to physically bow down.  What did he want you to do?

it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. I think lawyers are excluded by definition.

Bummer for Ghandi.

[mackler]

it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. I think lawyers are excluded by definition.

Bummer for Ghandi.

I must confess, the irony of someone with so much negativity toward lawyers placing the image of a a lawyer in the top-center of his homepage is never lost on me.

[Pat K]

Yeah cause it is well known that Gandhi spent
a lot of time in court, arguing things like what
the word- is, means.

[Lloyd Danforth]

As a 'good' Lawyer Ghandi would only be 'shot in the knee' when the Revolution comes.

[Russell Kanning]

How so?  I presume you don't mean he wanted you to physically bow down.  What did he want you to do?
Bummer for Ghandi.

expected me to show up in court every time the judge wanted
did Gandhi act like a lawyer?
as he realized what he should do with his life ... did he continue to "practice law"? was he acceptable as an attorney to the british government later in life?
did he think that the laws that the government passed should be followed all the time?
is Gandhi an inspiration to you lawyers .... should lawyers follow his example?

[mackler]

Yeah cause it is well known that Gandhi spent
a lot of time in court, arguing things like what
the word- is, means.

As least as well known as that sarcasm is an effective persuasive strategy.

did Gandhi act like a lawyer?

Gandhi was a lawyer.  Therefore, by definition, he acted "like a
lawyer."  He was a also vegetarian, therefore he acted like a
vegetarian.  He was an Indian, therefore he acted like an Indian.  To
deny these things is like saying "Walter Williams isn't really black,
because he doesn't act like a black person," or "Sarah Palin isn't
really a woman because she doesn't act like one," or "Jews who
sympathize with Palestians aren't really Jews..." etc.

The way I see things, Ganhi acted like Gandhi, you act like yourself,
I act like myself.  For the good Ganhi did, he gets my credit.  For
the bad he did, I blame him, and not any particular group that I
choose to percieve him as part of.

You might call my outlook "individualism."  If I were a collectivist I
might accept your premise that people should be judged by the category
you decide to put them in, rather than on the basis of their own
individual actions.

As a 'good' Lawyer Ghandi would only be 'shot in the knee' when the Revolution comes.

And you're just the one to do the shooting, aren't you, Lloyd?  I
appreciate you being so open about your violent intentions.  It
comports well with making statements such as "All elected officials
(except me)...", with putting your likeness on a coin, and with
replacing the name of the deity with your own.  Your ambitions are
truly lofty...worthy of a Caesar even.

I'm curious, when your "Revolution" comes, in what part of the body to
you intend to shoot the "good" police officers?

In what part of the body will you shoot the "good" intellectuals?

In what part of the body do you intend to shoot people (like me) who
refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to Lloyd?


Good luck in preparing for your Revolution to come.  My revolution is
already underway, and the only shooting I'm planning involves cameras.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

     

[Pat K]

Somebody get some tranquilizers to Mackler,
he needs them, badly.