Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 22

[kola]

Even with 24 hour surveillance by the nazi goonsquads, it is my understanding that the Browns have relocated.

Kola

[LordBaltimore]

Is Ed Brown still in his home, friend of mine reads his blogs just for info and said he hasn't seen one in almost a month.

???  The blog is updated several times a day. 

http://questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/

Both Ed and Elaine also participate in a daily one hour radio show at 10:00 am eastern.

Richardr do you consider yourself to be a person who fights for maintaining the freedoms of all Americans?

Yep. I've been a registered Libertarian since before Ron Paul ran for President the last time (1988).

Ed Brown isn't a hero, he's an asshole with a temper and an ego the size of Montana.  When his standoff turns violent, he will do more damage to the fight for liberty than anyone here seems to understands.  Just as bin Laden's acts killed civil liberties, and McVeigh's killed the militia movement, Brown's ego trip will do nothing but enhance the police state.

It didn't have to go this way, but thanks to the supporters on this forum, Ed thinks he's some kind of savior with a martyr complex instead of some blowhard who caves in as he's always done in the past.

before he started threatening people I thought he had a legitimate gripe against the income tax.

If Ed had simply said, "I refuse to pay taxes because they're immoral" I wouldn't be posting here.  Instead, he wants to practice civil disobedience without any consequences (that whole "show me the law" charade.)  Ed's been shown the law repeatedly, he just closes his eyes, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts "La la la la la I can't hear you" so he can pretend to be on the legal high ground.  If he were smarter he'd realize that taking the moral highground would be more effective.

Ron Paul rocks, but he isn't the savior to the income tax mess that people claim him to be.  The president doesn't write tax code or fund the IRS, the Congress does.  We should be focusing on voting in libertarian minded representatives, not placing our eggs in one presidential basket.

[kola]

VEPR,

Tell me, who threatened who first?

What would you do when someone or a group of people shot at your family members or friends in your own backyard? And now these same folks are stalking you 24/7.

Would you want to know who they were? Would you choose to defend yourself or lay down and die?

The Browns made a decison to find out who their enemies were and they have chosen to to defend themselves.

What would you do?

Kola

[guy]

I don't support [Ed] either I think hes a nitwit and has crossed the line, but before he started threatening people I thought he had a legitimate gripe against the income tax.

I thought he had no income and was therefore not taxed.  Wasn't his crime conspiracy?

[kola]

Lets keep things in perspective folks.

If the Browns continue to hold their position, the feds will kill the Browns and anyone involved with them.

It is that simple.

Kola

[JosephSHaas]

This was after I had made the statement that members of Congress do NOT pay into SS, but to their own pension fund, and so would like to know if these federal judges fall into the same category.

That's an internet urban legend, Joe.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp

Thanks Dr Richar (?), 

--It looks like "Big Brother" Government came over to our side of the fence on this SS back in "1984" when George Orwell said it* would in his book: "Nineteen Eighty Four". It* being for "double-speak" too, that WHOever started this urban legend, deserves the "Metropolis" Award too, from that movie also. 

--BTW here's an update to today's and yesterday's replies by me, regarding the Fed AOC, and Danny's Petition for an Habeas Corpus.

(1) I sent the e-mail as directed by Gwendlyn Coleman to the SD "underscore" as she says in her recording, but that it bounces back to my hotmail inbox as a bad address, so I sent it out to SDInformation at ao.uscourts.gov and it went through O.K. (so far) about two minutes later at exactly 9:37 a.m. this morning. [still no reply as of 12:12 p.m. right now].

(2) When I called the Strafford County Superior Court, at not 772 for a fax, but 742-3065 (as on their website) , press 305 for Equity, Lynn answered the phone at 12:01 p.m. today and said that they still had not received any Petition as yet from Dan Riley.

Yours truly, - - Joe

[LordBaltimore]

Here's an update on Danny's lawyer status, Joe.

Supporter of Browns loses his lawyer

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff

October 04. 2007 12:30AM

Daniel Riley, one of four men facing felony charges for helping Plainfield tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown, has parted ways with his lawyer.

According to a recent court filing from Mark Howard, a former federal prosecutor who was assigned to Riley's case, "Circumstances have developed in the course of the representation that have caused an irremediable breakdown in the attorney client relationship."

The filing indicates that Riley supported Howard's request to withdraw and that prosecutors had no objection.

Riley is accused of conspiring with other Brown supporters to help the couple escape arrest, aiding and abetting the couple, and bringing weapons to their house.

He waived his right to a court hearing to contest his detention and is being held in jail until his trial, scheduled for next month. In numerous internet postings and video recordings, Riley has asserted his belief that no law compels ordinary Americans to pay income taxes and that the Browns, who were convicted of conspiring to evade taxes, have done nothing wrong.

Court documents indicate that Riley provided investigators with detailed intelligence about explosives and weapons inside the house when he was briefly detained by marshals in June. The documents also say that Riley told marshals that he planned to help the couple escape justice and that he brought them weapons, including a .50-caliber rifle.

The Browns have remained holed up in their well-fortified concrete home for nearly eight months, entertaining a rotating cast of supporters and warning that any attempts to arrest them will end in bloodshed.

[JosephSHaas]

Lets keep things in perspective folks.

If the Browns continue to hold* their position, the feds will kill** the Browns and anyone involved with them.

It is that simple.

Kola

* + ** Like in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_Me,_Thrill_Me,_Kiss_Me,_Kill_Me ?

Re: "Batman Forever". 

I thought this was a "The Riddler" case!  [Frank Gorshen, R.I.P., who I met at "Pleasure Island" Amusement Park in Wakefield, MAss. back in the 1960s.

Joe

[VEPR]

VEPR,

Tell me, who threatened who first?

What would you do when someone or a group of people shot at your family members or friends in your own backyard? And now these same folks are stalking you 24/7.

Would you want to know who they were? Would you choose to defend yourself or lay down and die?

The Browns made a decision to find out who their enemies were and they have chosen to to defend themselves.

What would you do?

Kola

Well for starters Id be sure my husbands friends are all here. Don't think anyone would bother us with 20 men with shaved heads out in the yard with AKs. Other than that I guess I would try my best not to bother people so they don't bother me. But if put in a corner Id fight with every ounce of energy I had. I'm still up in the air about the stories Ive read about Riley being shot at. I wouldn't put anything past the Govt(Ruby Ridge comes to mind) but it just doesn't seem their style in this situation considering how they've gone about things so far. But who am I? I'm pretty new to this Ed Brown thing, I just joined this forum for the Ron Paul talk, and to follow all the things the FreeState rs?? are doing. If you go back through the few posts I have on this particular issue you'll notice I'm not claiming to be an expert on the Ed Brown deal. I was just asking questions is all.

[VEPR]

Richardr do you consider yourself to be a person who fights for maintaining the freedoms of all Americans?

Yep. I've been a registered Libertarian since before Ron Paul ran for President the last time (1988).

Ed Brown isn't a hero, he's an asshole with a temper and an ego the size of Montana.  When his standoff turns violent, he will do more damage to the fight for liberty than anyone here seems to understands.  Just as bin Laden's acts killed civil liberties, and McVeigh's killed the militia movement, Brown's ego trip will do nothing but enhance the police state.

It didn't have to go this way, but thanks to the supporters on this forum, Ed thinks he's some kind of savior with a martyr complex instead of some blowhard who caves in as he's always done in the past.

before he started threatening people I thought he had a legitimate gripe against the income tax.

If Ed had simply said, "I refuse to pay taxes because they're immoral" I wouldn't be posting here.  Instead, he wants to practice civil disobedience without any consequences (that whole "show me the law" charade.)  Ed's been shown the law repeatedly, he just closes his eyes, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts "La la la la la I can't hear you" so he can pretend to be on the legal high ground.  If he were smarter he'd realize that taking the moral highground would be more effective.

Ron Paul rocks, but he isn't the savior to the income tax mess that people claim him to be.  The president doesn't write tax code or fund the IRS, the Congress does.  We should be focusing on voting in libertarian minded representatives, not placing our eggs in one presidential basket.
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Granted Richardr but here is what I envision. Ron Paul wins election and for the first two years he cant do a damn thing except veto everything that comes across his desk thats unconstitutional. But in those first two years he is heard by pretty much every American that has a tv/radio and you cant help but pick up on his message. Two years in more people like him are elected to the house/senate and then things really start to snowball. By the end of his term he is re-elected and the house and senate are both freedom oriented majority and all the chitheads that have crapped on the Constitution for so long are deported to Sibera...........ok got a bit carried away at the end but you get my drift.

[LordBaltimore]

Ron Paul is generating excitement now (check out that $5 million quarter!) so others should be piggybacking on that excitement and run for local and Congressional offices as a Ron Paul candidate.  That way, even if Dr. Paul doesn't win, the momentum can be carried forward at the state and Congressional level.

[JosephSHaas]

Here's an update on Danny's lawyer status, Joe.

Supporter of Browns loses his lawyer

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff

October 04. 2007 12:30AM

Daniel Riley, ....

Thanks Richard,

Re: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/NEWS01/710040352

- - Joe

P.S. I just tried calling the Essex County Jail at 1-978-750-1900 for Jason in 240-C Cell #721 to see if they're still in "lock-down" for tonight's visit at 7:00-7:30 p.m. for anyone here, but there was no answer to the press 2-2 for visits, like before, so maybe on the fake and real Columbus Days.

note: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0822854/ for Ronald's Review: "'Shooter' provides a veritable feast for conspiracy-theory paranoiacs and a descent enough time at the movies for the rest of us...The movie makes a lot of grand speeches at the end about government corruption and what it truly means to live in the land of the free and home of the brave, but 'Shooter' is designed to be a generic thriller not a big-think social drama." ...

...ah shucks! I thought we had another Tom Laughlin, as "Billy Jack" to run for The Presidency! 

Modification: I just re-called and got today's update that they're still in lockdown, so no visits until further notice.

[JosephSHaas]

OK, can you guys explain to me how that's valid in light of:
http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Ebecraft/DistrictCourts.htm

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* From my Reply #4591 of June 30, 2007 @ 11:11 AM I noticed that you did not take my mission request, and so I just called the 1-202-502-1441 # at the Fed AOC for statistics and heard the voice mail of Gwendlyn Coleman to leave a message for her by pressing 5, and so my simple question, of her to answer yes or no, is: Does Judge Stephen McAuliffe pay into Social Security?  This was after I had made the statement that members of Congress do NOT pay into SS, but to their own pension fund, and so would like to know if these federal judges fall into the same category. I left her my tel. # 603: 848-6059 to call me back, to relay over to here later of what she has to say. Plus to send her my e-mail address too, to not SD address, but the SD_ underscore address as corrected or since changed to this addition.

Yours truly, Joe

Update: I received an e-mail letter from Gwendolyn Coleman (spelled with the letter "o") I forgot about above, who wrote to me at exactly 1:21 PM this afternoon that "I left you a voice message indicating that you need to contact our Article Three Judges Division for the information you requested.  They can be reached at (202) 502-1880."  To where I did call and got the receptionist Shirley, over to Daniel Jackson (yes -- same name as in that Stargate SG-1 Sci-Fi TV series) who said that McAuliffe is an Art. 3 judge, and yes - he pays into Social Security, plus by Constitution of his pay not to be diminished refers to the fact that although there are cost-of-living percentages every year by the CPI/ Consumer Price Index, they don't get an increase on an annual basis, but only WHEN the Congressmen raise their own salaries do they get the increase at THAt and the SAME time only.

I told him I was getting this info for you Dick - so here it is.  And while on the phone with him, I asked for the Audit division, and he gave me the 202: 502-1002 # for Jeff Larioni, with a dial 0 for operator, and the woman there said that the Audit Reports are given to the Chief Judge of the court, and available for public inspection during the business hours, and so to contact THE Clerk of the court, not any Chief Deputy, as I told her that some Window Clerk told me last time to contact the AOC in Washington, months ago now, back to square one, after Chief Deputy Dan Lynch gave me what he thought I was looking for of some Report (but not THE audit), of the New England Region of so many of this and that types of cases, etc., but me wanting to see the $amount of filing fees paid into this court, etc. and WHO signs the audit, such as to see their SEAL of approval as signed by WHO, with WHAT title as a CPA, certified public accountant? Anyway the bottom line: did the certifier certify that the court is in compliance with the law? Reference: Section 20 of the Coinage Act of 1792. Yes or No; ___ http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/coinageact.html

Yours truly, Joe Haas

P.S. I called the court at 1-603-225-1423 before the 3:00 p.m. time they shut off the phones to the public, and Dan wasn't in she said until MAYBE before the 4:00 p.m. door closing time, and so I said to just relay the information please so that I can get a copy tomorrow morning. Thank you.

note: the point being that IF the court cannot follow the law, then how-in-hell do they expect to conduct jury trials for those charged as criminals?!  Isn't this hypocrisy on a grand scale!?

Modification, tel. # 1423.

[VEPR]

If thats true Richardr and he did say that hes more insane that I thought.

[JosephSHaas]

If thats true Richardr and he did say that hes more insane that I thought.

Maybe this is a strategy that if and when he's captured, he can spend luxury time in a mental hospital, rather than within the concrete walls with barbed wire fence. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".