actually doing nothing

[FrankChodorov]

Land wasn't created by people but it has been taken over and owned by people.  Your whole Georgist scheme involves changing which people get to use it, the "legal" owners (don't like the laws change them) or people claiming they get the right to welfare payments to allow someone to own/use it. 

wrong...

under the system I advocate the people using it today are the same people using it tomorrow as "use" is one of the bundled rights of ownership (along with exclusion, possession, and transferability) that are reserved for individuals.

only the economic rent remains owned in common (making land ownership conditional) as it is the appropriation of the economic rent by the landlord today that robs those excluded of their property rights to their labor via a legal and monetary claim (a tax) on their wages...

[DC]

only the economic rent remains owned in common (making land ownership conditional) as it is the appropriation of the economic rent by the landlord today that robs those excluded of their property rights to their labor via a legal and monetary claim (a tax) on their wages...

So if some deadbeat walks into my community then he is instantly owed land ownership and I have to pay them because they don't have land. Bullshit.

(making land ownership conditional)

Isn't land ownership conditional in your system.

[FrankChodorov]

then he is instantly owed land ownership and I have to pay them because they don't have land

not land ownership - the return on land ownership called economic rent.

not because they don't have any land - because the return on their labor called wages are absolute.

Isn't land ownership conditional in your system.

one of the bundled rights of land ownership is...the economic rent remains owned in common.

[Pat McCotter]

Georgists must be smart people. I don't understand a word they print.

[KBCraig]

Georgists must be smart people. I don't understand a word they print.

Don't you get the feeling that you're arguing with a random text generator?

I've found that my one-and-only use of the ignore button has brought great bliss. 

[Pat McCotter]

I do active selective ignore. It's just the short ones catch my eye and I wonder how their brains got to be so twisted.

[FrankChodorov]

I do active selective ignore. It's just the short ones catch my eye and I wonder how their brains got to be so twisted.

Pat - Mr. Jefferson himself, who you quote, was a proto-georgist.

[tracysaboe]

Illogical. Argument by Authority. Beep!

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

. . . visited Henry George birthplace...

So what? You worship the guy now? He's dead. And still in his grave.

Tracy

[Pat McCotter]

I do active selective ignore. It's just the short ones catch my eye and I wonder how their brains got to be so twisted.

Pat - Mr. Jefferson himself, who you quote, was a proto-georgist.

Didn't quote anyone there - came out of my own simple mind. If the Mr. Jefferson you speak of is Thomas of Declaration of Independence fame, I am honored to be thought of as thinking like him.

[FrankChodorov]

I do active selective ignore. It's just the short ones catch my eye and I wonder how their brains got to be so twisted.

Pat - Mr. Jefferson himself, who you quote, was a proto-georgist.

Didn't quote anyone there - came out of my own simple mind. If the Mr. Jefferson you speak of is Thomas of Declaration of Independence fame, I am honored to be thought of as thinking like him.

sorry in your signature...

That government is best which governs the least,
because its people discipline themselves.
? THOMAS JEFFERSON

[DC]

then he is instantly owed land ownership and I have to pay them because they don't have land

not land ownership - the return on land ownership called economic rent.

not because they don't have any land - because the return on their labor called economic rent is absolute.

You have said over and over that I have to pay them because they have to have land to exhist. Higher demand for property causing property to go up is not labor.

one of the bundled rights of land ownership is...the economic rent remains owned in common.

That didn't answer the question. To own actual land or to keep it is conditional in your system isn't it.

[FrankChodorov]

You have said over and over that I have to pay them because they have to have land to exhist

the "have to have land to exist" part is to say that if all land is legally occupied and that to exist means to occupy space somewhere then it is not a voluntary transaction and the transaction itself nullifies a right because a right is something you are born with and does not have to be purchased or gifted.

I did make a mistake which I corrected...

return on labor are wages not economic rent.

so the reason you need to share the economic rent is because the wages of those being excluded are absolute AND the right of self-ownership does not have to be purchased or gifted.

To own actual land or to keep it is conditional in your system isn't it.

as I said ownership is a bundle of rights not one solitary right...

so in the system I advocate one bundled right (economic rent) must be shared equally - so yes land ownership in that sense is conditional so labor products can be made absolute.

[DC]

so the reason you need to share the economic rent is because the wages of those being excluded are absolute AND the right of self-ownership does not have to be purchased or gifted.

Rights themselves have to be gifted otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it they would just be. You are forcealbly taking money and gifting it. If you force someone to gift then it isn't a gift it is theft because it was stolen. You are saying it is an entitlement so it doesn't count as a gift. I say that life is more important than exhisting because you can exhist but be dead. If you have life then you exhist. We are alive because someone gifted us what was required to live until we are old enough to fend for ourselves.

[FrankChodorov]

Rights themselves have to be gifted

rights are not gifted or purchased - you are born with them.

You are forcealbly taking money

I am saying the act of exclusive use of a specific location forces a legal and monetary obligation (a tax on wages) on others (those being excluded) denying their rights to self-ownership.

You are saying it is an entitlement

the entitlement comes via the state privilege to enclose backed by force...