FTL_Ian's Personal Attacks on CNHT

[FrankChodorov]

So you want to open the borders and let the billions of people flood in

hello...where did I ever write that?

[DC]

So you want to open the borders and let the billions of people flood in

hello...where did I ever write that?

You said you wanted to open the borders . Do you want me to find it?

[DC]

I simply place "end welfare" above "open the borders" on the to-do list. 

1. end all state granted privileges that creates the need for welfare
2. open borders

welfare programs are just the left's arbitrary attempt to deal with perceived economic and social injustice issues.

get to the root cause - privileges (private laws that treat one group different then another) and you ultimate are addressing economic and social justice issues from a principled point of view.
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[FTL_Ian]

It's not my idea -- it's the UNs and there are almost 200 countries already following their directives! Why do you choose to ignore that??? And believe me the UN *IS* coercive, as you would see if you had read their strategies for 'compliance' with their numerous 'goals' or even just spent some time in a profession as a teacher, where they tend to hit the hardest. But since you refuse to educate yourself, you will remain unaware.

You're very loquatious, but you never answer my question.  Let me phrase it differently.

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

[FrankChodorov]

I simply place "end welfare" above "open the borders" on the to-do list. 

1. end all state granted privileges that creates the need for welfare
2. open borders

welfare programs are just the left's arbitrary attempt to deal with perceived economic and social injustice issues.

get to the root cause - privileges (private laws that treat one group different then another) and you ultimate are addressing economic and social justice issues from a principled point of view.
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why would billions of people flood in?

[DC]

I simply place "end welfare" above "open the borders" on the to-do list. 

1. end all state granted privileges that creates the need for welfare
2. open borders

welfare programs are just the left's arbitrary attempt to deal with perceived economic and social injustice issues.

get to the root cause - privileges (private laws that treat one group different then another) and you ultimate are addressing economic and social justice issues from a principled point of view.
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why would billions of people flood in?

For their economic rent. Billions of people live in extreme poverty. It would look just like those 500,000 people in Los Angelas waving Mexican flag a couple of days ago. They would be waiving signs that say where is my ecomic rent.

[DC]

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

They would just take us over. Lots of military equipment keep them out now. Unless you plan on keeping that mititary equipment in the hands of private armies.

[FTL_Ian]

You think the UN can take over the USA?

Why didn't Hitler invade Switzerland?

[DC]

You think the UN can take over the USA?

Why didn't Hitler invade Switzerland?

I think they had a lot of their gold there. But he was busy invading every other country. He would have taken an easy target like that with lots of gold whenever he whished.

It wouldn't have to be the UN . Their isn't a shortage of countries that would love to destroy America Russia, China, Iran ect...

[aries]

End welfare and eliminate all "free" public services, then open the borders.

End welfare and keep the US a sovereign country that does not participate in and honor the wishes of the UN but whose sole duty is to honor the Constitution!

Agreed

Except I don't like the constitution. The anti-federalists were right. The bill of rights is good, though.

[aries]

It's not my idea -- it's the UNs and there are almost 200 countries already following their directives! Why do you choose to ignore that??? And believe me the UN *IS* coercive, as you would see if you had read their strategies for 'compliance' with their numerous 'goals' or even just spent some time in a profession as a teacher, where they tend to hit the hardest. But since you refuse to educate yourself, you will remain unaware.

You're very loquatious, but you never answer my question.  Let me phrase it differently.

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

Ian - not everyone here wants to see the government go away and have NH or the country turn to anarchy.

I firstly want the US to get out of the UN and stop honoring all of its treaties, unless we otherwise were going to.
Anarchy is an unrealistic goal for the US without a massive civil war.

[tracysaboe]

You think the UN can take over the USA?

Why didn't Hitler invade Switzerland?

He tried. So did Stallan. Neither were successfull, because all the civilian's their have guns.

Tracy

[CNHT]

It's not my idea -- it's the UNs and there are almost 200 countries already following their directives! Why do you choose to ignore that??? And believe me the UN *IS* coercive, as you would see if you had read their strategies for 'compliance' with their numerous 'goals' or even just spent some time in a profession as a teacher, where they tend to hit the hardest. But since you refuse to educate yourself, you will remain unaware.

You're very loquatious, but you never answer my question.  Let me phrase it differently.

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

OMG!!!  What country has not had 'peacekeeping' operations move in on them with 'provisional' governments set up and forced upon them when they had none?
The UN has its own soldiers, remember?

I'm loquacious because I can't believe you could be a talk show host and be so naive. (Or be taken seriously with your 'no gov't' utopia ideas!)

[KBCraig]

The UN has lots of regulations they'd like to impose.  They need a local government to do the imposing.  How will the UN impose its regulations if there is no government to do their bidding?

OMG!!!  What country has not had 'peacekeeping' operations move in on them with 'provisional' governments set up and forced upon them when they had none?
The UN has its own soldiers, remember?

No, it doesn't. All "UN soldiers" belong to member nations, and are subject to their own chains of command.

The UN is a quasi government, with desire to be an actual government. But it's not a country, and doesn't have a population from which to draw soldiers.

Peacekeeping operations, other than those that could be handled by a Boy Scout troop (which is most most of them), have always relied on the military forces of a major member. That's usually the US or UK. If we don't participate, it just doesn't happen.

Kevin

[Tunga]

Just to be clear. Free trade is very different from freedom of movement. That is something that we all agree on. Everybody here is for complete unfettered free trade.


Tracy

Tracy Tunga thinks it was Free trade among the Union States that allowed the USA to be the most prosperous in modern history.

Free trade among foreign nations is contrary to the Constitution. The government is supposed to fund it's self from tarriffs on imports from foreign nations.

Tunga is not in favor of free trade with foreign governments. The advantage belongs to the citizens of a free and independent Union.

BTW Tracy what did you think of the quoted remarks from the Declaration of Independence that Tunga posted in responce to you claim that the founders would never have pledged themselves to anything of value. Is sacred honor a foreign  ideal to you ?