Rescinding membership in Free State Project

[Dreepa]

How many angels can fit on the head of a pin? ???

[lildog]

Others are noticing the hypocracy expressed by many here:

http://www.freestateblogs.net/blog/7

Do you see this as GOOD press??

[Rocketman]

By the way you are missing the REAL point here... the actions of many on this forum whether intentional or not are turning people OFF to the FSP.  I'm heard more then one person refer to you all as nuts or extremists, mostly nuts.  Is your goal to lose all credibility among the "regular" people?

The actions of many on this forum are TURNING (some) CONSERVATIVES OFF to the FSP, and so what?  There are other freedom issues besides taxes and guns, and I don't see any evidence that you comprehend that fact.  If Republicans don't get the message and become more pro-liberty, they will continue to lose.  This is a pro-freedom movement, not a conservative movement, and free staters will form coalitions with whichever side happens to be right from one issue to the next.

Do you really think libertarians should shed a tear for Charlie Bass or Jeb Bradley?  They cheered on Bush and Cheney as they led this country into ruin, and I openly celebrate their defeat.  The Republican party had better change its course, or its decline will continue in 2008.  That means rejecting the neocons, rejecting the religious right, and acknowledging the importance of civil liberties.  Will it happen?  Which side will you be on?

Edited to add "some"

[Caleb]

Let me ask you personally Caleb, what have YOU yourself actually accomplished since moving to NH?  Have any government positions been disolved as a result of your actions?  Have taxes been lowered or budgets been cut?  Have laws been stricken from the books?

I harassed the Keene Council about a proposal to fine residents $100 for parking their own cars on their own property.  The Council eventually backed off.

I have harassed Keene Cops on several occasions while they are engaged in tyrannical oppression.  "Copwatch" seems to be very effective in keeping our police force honest.

I struck a deal with a small town police Lieutenant that he would protect the citizens in his town from the federal government if I went off to a gulag.

I have written letters to officials in behalf of imprisoned individuals.  I have also made phone calls in their behalf.

I met with a State Representative to encourage her to introduce legislation legalizing marijuana usage.

I endorsed a candidate for City Council who promised not to enforce property tax collection.

Most importantly, I wrestled the Bush administration to a standoff over the invasion of Iran.  Due to my efforts, Iran was not invaded as Mr. Bush felt that he could not risk my "Shock and Awe" response. http://keenefreepress.com/kfp062506.pdf   

On a serious note, I've also networked profusely, ran for Congress, am planning a run for City Council in the upcoming municipal election, and write occasional pieces for the Keene Free Press.  My appearance on several short videos on Cheshire TV has caused people more than once to come up to me and say, "Hey, I know you!  You were on T.V."  I talk about Independence wherever I go.

And I'm not even that politically active.

Let me make this as clear and as blunt as I know how Lildog:  I don't care what neo-con fascists think of me.  No, strike that.  I *do* care.  I want them to hate me.  If the fascists like me, I'm doing something wrong.  You are so stuck in your own little Republican world that you can't even see that there is a bigger picture or a world outside that. I wish RLC Republicans well, just as I wish DFC Democrats well.  But the neo-con Republicans and the socialist Democrats are of no use to me.  Let me make this clear:  I consider both groups atrocious.  I do not consider a neo-con Republican to be the lesser of two evils.  The only advantage to one over the other is how they can be played against each other to reduce each of their effectiveness. I hope the Democrat Congress and the Republican Executive fight like cats and dogs and nothing ... I repeat NOTHING ... gets done for the next two years.

I'm sorry that NH has gone to a single party until the next election cycle, but I am powerless to stop that. If the Republican Party wants FSP support, tell them that they can nominate strong liberty-oriented candidates.  Absent that, I'm glad they haven't got much FSP support:  it sends a strong message.

A view from an ideologue,

Caleb

[Quantrill]

We've slashed MILLIONS, eliminated unneeded postions, and elected people who actually understand the need for less government and those of us working locally have caused more people to join in us in the fight. 

   (KARMA TO YOU!)

[d_goddard]

The actions of many on this forum are TURNING CONSERVATIVES OFF to the FSP, and so what?

By and large, self-described Republicans at least try to keep to the notion that laws should be Constitutional. This is especially true of the NH House Republicans.

Please, when you get pissed at Republicans or "conservatives", keep in mind that folks like Marple and Ingbretson are in that mix, and they're closer to libertarians that they are to Bass or Bradley.

MODERATOR: Can this thread be moved to "Endless Debate and Whining", please?
Thanks

[Rocketman]

If Marple and Ingbretson are pissing and moaning over the loss of Bradley or Bass, I'd be pretty damned surprised.  Those guys understand perfectly well how far their party has strayed.  Marple and Ingbretson were reelected, unlike Bass and Bradley, who were held accountable for their misdeeds.

I am a classical liberal, or libertarian.  When I get mail addressed "Dear Conservative," I cringe.  Love me or hate me, that's who I am.

[FrankChodorov]

I am a classical liberal, or libertarian

if you mean by classical liberal the original French Physiocrats then it is not synonomous with modern libertarianism - not by a long shot.

[Rocketman]

By and large, self-described Republicans at least try to keep to the notion that laws should be Constitutional. This is especially true of the NH House Republicans.

By and large, self-described democrats at least try to keep to the notion that governments should respect human rights.

I'm very impressed with the House Republicans, overall.  This has nothing to do with them, everything to do with my contempt for warmongers and torture-apologists.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Let me ask you personally Caleb, what have YOU yourself actually accomplished since moving to NH?  Have any government positions been disolved as a result of your actions?  Have taxes been lowered or budgets been cut?  Have laws been stricken from the books?

I harassed the Keene Council about a proposal to fine residents $100 for parking their own cars on their own property.  The Council eventually backed off.

I have harassed Keene Cops on several occasions while they are engaged in tyrannical oppression.  "Copwatch" seems to be very effective in keeping our police force honest.

I struck a deal with a small town police Lieutenant that he would protect the citizens in his town from the federal government if I went off to a gulag.

I have written letters to officials in behalf of imprisoned individuals.  I have also made phone calls in their behalf.

I met with a State Representative to encourage her to introduce legislation legalizing marijuana usage.

I endorsed a candidate for City Council who promised not to enforce property tax collection.

Most importantly, I wrestled the Bush administration to a standoff over the invasion of Iran.  Due to my efforts, Iran was not invaded as Mr. Bush felt that he could not risk my "Shock and Awe" response. http://keenefreepress.com/kfp062506.pdf   

On a serious note, I've also networked profusely, ran for Congress, am planning a run for City Council in the upcoming municipal election, and write occasional pieces for the Keene Free Press.  My appearance on several short videos on Cheshire TV has caused people more than once to come up to me and say, "Hey, I know you!  You were on T.V."  I talk about Independence wherever I go.

And I'm not even that politically active.

Let me make this as clear and as blunt as I know how Lildog:  I don't care what neo-con fascists think of me.  No, strike that.  I *do* care.  I want them to hate me.  If the fascists like me, I'm doing something wrong.  You are so stuck in your own little Republican world that you can't even see that there is a bigger picture or a world outside that. I wish RLC Republicans well, just as I wish DFC Democrats well.  But the neo-con Republicans and the socialist Democrats are of no use to me.  Let me make this clear:  I consider both groups atrocious.  I do not consider a neo-con Republican to be the lesser of two evils.  The only advantage to one over the other is how they can be played against each other to reduce each of their effectiveness. I hope the Democrat Congress and the Republican Executive fight like cats and dogs and nothing ... I repeat NOTHING ... gets done for the next two years.

I'm sorry that NH has gone to a single party until the next election cycle, but I am powerless to stop that. If the Republican Party wants FSP support, tell them that they can nominate strong liberty-oriented candidates.  Absent that, I'm glad they haven't got much FSP support:  it sends a strong message.

A view from an ideologue,

Caleb

Aided in the capture of the federal building in Concord where as, the feds capitulated under our barrage of snowballs.

[Dreepa]

ran for Congress

Did you ever file your papers for that?  Because I never saw your name on the ballot.

[Rocketman]

I am a classical liberal, or libertarian

if you mean by classical liberal the original French Physiocrats then it is not synonomous with modern libertarianism - not by a long shot.

Then go and argue that with David Boaz.  I'm only marginally interested in any distinctions you might draw -- just trying to insist that libertarian isn't just a flavor of conservatism, and I'd think you could just agree?

[FrankChodorov]

just trying to insist that libertarian isn't just a flavor of conservatism

the modern conservative movement was actually based on Frank Meyers' theory of "fusionism" that combined elements of:

1. traditionalism of Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver (southern agrarian)
2. libertarianism of Fredrich Hayek and Ludwig Von Mises (austrian school)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Meyer

[Caleb]

Aided in the capture of the federal building in Concord where as, the feds capitulated under our barrage of snowballs

Not to mention singlehandedly captured the IRS building here in Keene during our water balloon raid. 

[Caleb]

Did you ever file your papers for that?  Because I never saw your name on the ballot.

No. I had no hope of defeating Hodes and didn't want to spend $500.  But I continued a half-hearted run on the NH Independence Party Platform.