Civil Disobedience

[PowerPenguin]

Cool. This is much more creative than my typical strategies of vandalism and petty theft 8-) Just kidding. Seriously though, there are suposedly some surveilance cameras in a particular area of socal that I'd probably disable assuming I knew where they were and could do it in a relitavely low-risk way. That said, keep up the good work!

[Russell Kanning]

Like Ghandi said .... little acts of terrorism or gorrilla warfare or vandalism are tempting, because they are easy and they can't watch us all. But we have to use the same means as the ends we are trying to achieve. If we want a society free from force, we have to take that path.

I bet CD in regards to public cameras would work out really well in your town.

[Kat Kanning]

... gorrilla warfare

Poor gorillas 

[TackleTheWorld]

Thank You Again to Mike Fisher.

Mike Fisher is the reason we first visited NH.
Mike Fisher is the reason we decided to become early movers.
Mike Fisher is the reason I began studying Gandhi and other non-violent strategies.
Mike Fisher's posts have more creedence on this board is one who actually puts his ideas into action.
Mike Fisher's efforts broke me out of prison.

We love ya, Mike.

[FTL_Ian]

You guys are inspiring new people all the time, keep it up.  The more exiting things happen in NH, the more we talk about it on my show, the more people hear it, and decide to join!

It's a wonderful cycle!

[Russell Kanning]

Did they happen this week?

[Michael Fisher]

Thank you, John, Lauren, and Jim.

I really appreciate it.

[citizen_142002]

Well the Mexican incident wasn't really civil disobedience. It was street warfare. The picture's definitely worth keeping.

I guess people in Mexico are getting sick of the socialism. Is this the same group of people who fought the Mexican government when they tried to take their land?

[tracysaboe]

Well the Mexican incident wasn't really civil disobedience.

It was uncivil disobedience -- it has it's place too. 

Tracy

[KBCraig]

Remember Kent State and Waco

Did they happen this week?

Kent State shootings: May 4, 1970.

Waco fire: April 19, 1993.

[John]

Remember Kent State and Waco

Did they happen this week?

Kent State shootings: May 4, 1970.

Waco fire: April 19, 1993.

I recall a generational anthem, "4 Dead in Ohio" (which is still played today) vs. a national silence for 86 Dead in Wako.  Shame on this/my generation.     Wako fire?  I call it:

BIG Brother and Clinton's comming
We've never been on our own
This summer I hear no drumming
More dead in old Wako

Got to get down to it
Government's cutting us down
Should have begun long ago
What if we knew and found them dead in floor
How can we run when we know??????????????

[burnthebeautiful]

Well the Mexican incident wasn't really civil disobedience. It was street warfare. The picture's definitely worth keeping.

I guess people in Mexico are getting sick of the socialism. Is this the same group of people who fought the Mexican government when they tried to take their land?

I've come across socialists who are claiming that the mexicans in this town are rabid socialists, and they were chasing off the police in protest of the mexican government not being socialist enough.

[Russell Kanning]

That is possible, but not having selling permits doesn't sound like much of a socialist to me.

[TackleTheWorld]

Okay, guys and girls, I've figured out what I'm going to do if my 30-day sentence is triggered by a minor traffic violation.
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Mike, how did the probation thing go? 
You dodged trouble for a whole year? 
Does that mean it's time for a new round of CD?

[TackleTheWorld]

Zowie!
Saw the movie Gandhi this week for the first time.
For a couple days I was sold on that non-violent strategy.

Gandhi had a logic that was more defiant than submissive. 
He liked to openly defy unjust laws and publicly provoke authorities.

At a meeting of Indian immigrants in South Africa Gandhi describes the new law
providing for fingerprinting of all immigrants, and allowing police to enter the dwellings of immigrants without warrant.
(Yes, I thought it sounded familiar, too.)
Men jump up swearing that they will kill police if they try to enter their home.
Gandhi praises their courage, and says, "I too am willing to die, but there is no cause for which I would be willing to kill".
"They may arrest me, beat me, break my bones. They may kill me, then they will have my dead body, but not my obedience".

That is stand-up defiance, not lay-down submission.

I'm all in favor of defiance and provocation of evil,
and I could absorb my opponent's anger if it seemed he was starting to see the wisdom of stopping.
But I could not possibly ask other people to do it, like Gandhi did.

I can't understand why Gandhi would intentionally provoke the authorities so they would display violence, then told the people to be peaceful when they tried to defend themselves.  Does he want violence or not?

To paraphrase him, I too am willing to die for this cause, but there is no cause for which I would be willing to get unwilling, innocent people killed.
At least warfare has the courtesy to announce where it is and let non-combatants get out of the way.

Did I miss something?