Freedom to Travel Event, Part 1

[Michael Fisher]

I was planning on not taking 'no' for an answer....my goal is to fly to Philadelphia without any ID.....I will keep going until they stop me....I don't want to harrass them....I just want to get on a plane.

So when security tells you to go away, you'll try to walk through anyways?  What if they physically get in your way?  Will you just stay there until they move or you are arrested?  That's one possibility.  You definitely do not want to violate ZAP nor should you resist if they tackle you.  That's my humble opinion.

[Michael Fisher]

Whatever you do, if they let you through and call for security, you don't want to go out of sight from the front gate.  If you do, they'll lock down the airport and stop all flights.  If you stay near the security area, they'll arrest you within view of the press and they won't need to lock down the airport and delay flights.

[Michael Fisher]

Man, this is going to be HUGE if everything goes as planned.     I'm sure all the press will be there if I call all of my press contacts about your event.   

[Russell Kanning]

It is big....that is for sure.

I like the idea of going forward until someone gets in my way....then I could just go around them....if I start running over people....then they may want to start using force.

[Lloyd Danforth]

It is big....that is for sure.

I like the idea of going forward until someone gets in my way....then I could just go around them....if I start running over people....then they may want to start using force.

Taser

[Michael Fisher]

I like the idea of going forward until someone gets in my way....then I could just go around them....if I start running over people....then they may want to start using force.

Whoooaaaa there... let's not go around running over anyone.  That's not polite!  That's also a violation of ZAP!

[Michael Fisher]

I pledge $50 if Russell is fined.

[Kat Kanning]

The airline ticket will cost $29 (X2 with all the taxes  ).  In theory, we should be able to use the same ticket for subsequent trials to get on a plane.

[Dave Ridley]

I've called Free Talk Live and announced this....they were stunned!

workiing on press release.

Russell you should probably get those tickets pronto before someone steps in to try and prevent you from doing so.

[Dave Ridley]

The only problem with this event is that you may not be arrested for the act of refusing to show an ID.  They might just tell you to get lost.

Hmmm... I guess in that circumstance he could just refuse to get lost.   If physically escorted out of the building or away from the airport he could just say I'll be back in 10 minutes and then come back?

[Neo Hantoni]

Russell,

My $0.02.

I think you are making a mistake by doing this airline protest.  While Mike Fisher's protest may have received some positive press, you will not get the same from your no-ID airline plan.  It does not have the degree of silliness that manicure licensing laws do.  What will actually happen is that Mike's protest will be lumped in with yours, and this and all future protests will brushed off as the actions of childish clowns.

These random protests seem to have no goal.  One day its UN flag burning.  Next day its manicuring.  The next day it barging onto an airliner without ID.  This latest one will officially place the "NHFree" crowd into the category of imbeciles with ADD.  Sorry to put it that way, but it is the truth.  I wish you would think longer term.  You will be arrested, and your protest forgotten.  Nothing will have been achieved.

[JonM]

Sigh.  This is a federal thing, and while Real ID is bad, and while the sad part is that most of the opposition I've heard from states is that they don't want to pay for it.  I'm not sure what the upside of this protest is.  Driving a car without a license might be better, but I'm not sure how much traction that would have with the general populace, too easy for the do-gooders to spin the need for making people have a drivers license.

More power to you if you want to do this, but consider this, when you purchase a ticket from an airline, you are entering into a contract with them.  You provide them money, they provide you transportation.  Regardless of whether or not you're paying attention, your purchase of that ticket subjects you to the contract of carriage that they publish.  From Southwest's contract of carriage:

125.  Compliance with Law and Governmental Regulations (Issued March 13, 2000; Effective March 13, 2000)

All transportation is sold and all carriage is performed subject to compliance with all applicable laws and governmental regulations, including those of the U.S. Department of Transportation, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the Transportation Security Administration, many of which are not specified herin but are nonetheless binding on Carrier and all passengers.

Interestingly, they'll also refuse to fly you if you smell bad . . .

Either way, by refusing to comply with the TSA's requirement to show ID in order to pass through security, you are violating the terms of the contract you entered into with Southwest, and they are not obligated to give you passage.

[Michael Fisher]

LOL... Don't expect Russell to listen, guys.    Remember how I refused to listen to anyone?  If I'd taken anyone's advice at all, the manicure event NEVER would have happened.  It did happen, and it did not receive "some" positive press, it gained massive press, all positive or neutral except for two leftist newspapers that probably only hate us because of our old ties to Benson.

There are a lot of things working against us, so we need to know exactly what we are doing.  To do this, we must learn from history.  What is the best recipe for civil disobedience?  Which principles work best to create a successful event?  How should we act?  What should we say?  How should we approach this issue?

The answers to these questions are easily found in your heart and in history.  Study what works.  Study Gandhi's principles and his life, mix this with your own knowledge and experiences, and you will know exactly what you're doing.

Listen to your own heart and mind.  Trust your ability to make the right decisions.  As long as your heart is in the right place, and your thinking is clear, you will be successful.

[Michael Fisher]

125.? Compliance with Law and Governmental Regulations (Issued March 13, 2000; Effective March 13, 2000)

All transportation is sold and all carriage is performed subject to compliance with all applicable laws and governmental regulations, including those of the U.S. Department of Transportation, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the Transportation Security Administration, many of which are not specified herin but are nonetheless binding on Carrier and all passengers.

This is a technicality of the law that should not deter anyone.

Airlines are forced at gunpoint to force others to comply with all laws.  This is the nature of the system, and the airlines have no choice but to follow the rules surrounding them lest they be darwinized by other airlines which are better at groveling at Big Brother's feet.

[Michael Fisher]

You will be arrested, and your protest forgotten.? Nothing will have been achieved.

It's funny.

Those are the EXACT words someone used to warn me about the manicure event.