Freedom to Travel Event, Part 1

[Russell Kanning]

Strangely enough the speaker at my Kiwanis club yesterday was the director of security for Logan Airport.? He said they liked to do things randomly just in case people were casing the system.

That would almost have to be random.

[FTL_Ian]

like the 10k for the studio?

Yeah, that kind of stuff.  Not to mention the countless hours I've spent calling radio stations.. at $50 an hour... there's been a lot invested.

[Ron Helwig]

I know airlines require some sort of government generated ID, because, the government forces them to, but, even before 911, they had an obligation to protect ther passengers, by identifying everyone who gets on the plane.

Just gotta respond to this one.

What does your identity have to do with protection? Not all terrorists are going to be on some list, so asking for ID is pointless. The real way to make the flight secure is to allow passengers to defend themselves against terrorists (or just make sure everyone is weaponless - make them all get lobotomies since the brain is the most dangerous weapon  )

[Pat K]

You will be arrested, and your protest forgotten.? Nothing will have been achieved.

It's funny.

Those are the EXACT words someone used to warn me about the manicure event.

Sorry, Mike, but your protest has ALREADY been forgotten.? The crew turning its attention to a different project will assure that it remains so.

Nobody is forcing you to particapate. So don't. Your comments are very insulting.

I am sorry that you find the truth insulting.? It is very easy to get together with a group of friends and pat one another on the back for a "job well done", but that is a terrible measure of success.? That's what I'm seeing here.

While I am certainly not participating in this protest, this approach generally (if not specific protests) will have negative consequences for the freedom movement in New Hampshire, particularly those with some relationship with free staters.? Those consequences are developing now, even if you cannot see them.

The terms  you used "childish clowns" and" imbeciles with ADD "are insulting. At least to most people, but perhaps your upbringing  was a little lacking and you don't know the differance.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I know airlines require some sort of government generated ID, because, the government forces them to, but, even before 911, they had an obligation to protect ther passengers, by identifying everyone who gets on the plane.

Just gotta respond to this one.

What does your identity have to do with protection? Not all terrorists are going to be on some list, so asking for ID is pointless. The real way to make the flight secure is to allow passengers to defend themselves against terrorists (or just make sure everyone is weaponless - make them all get lobotomies since the brain is the most dangerous weapon? )

OK.  It's their plane. They can require that you identify yourself, just, 'cause they feel like it.
Lobotomise? No. They, pretty much, have to stick to the methods they use, required by the government:  exray, metal detectors and rules about what can be taken aboard.
They shouldn't have waited for the government to force them to do it.

[Lloyd Danforth]

While I am certainly not participating in this protest, this approach generally (if not specific protests) will have negative consequences for the freedom movement in New Hampshire, particularly those with some relationship with free staters.? Those consequences are developing now, even if you cannot see them.

That is a 'stretch'.? You have, totally, pulled it out of your ass!? What is your evidence?

[Russell Kanning]

I can't wait to see the tsa guys with their serious faces.

[Michael Fisher]

Anyway, I pretty much agree with what Neo Hantoni has stated in this thread.

The only place I see Mike's civil disobedience event discussed is in FSP related forums, or by FSP member, and a few news stories that came and went. I have not heard one person mention Mike's civil disobedience event outside of those places. There is not much public debate, if any, from what I can see. As long as Mike is happy with the results, that is all that matters.

This is absolutely untrue.  Many, many people I meet have been talking about these issues and have questions about licensing when they meet me.  Many people have heard about this event and discussed it among themselves.

We forced people to think about licensing.  It's unfortunate that you do not see this.

The editorial staff of three different newspapers, including the state's largest paper, have all written lengthy editorials discussing the issue of licensing laws and taking a position on it (2 for licensing, largest paper against licensing).  For my first event of civil disobedience ever, I'd say that's pretty good.

Try to minimize it all you want.  The facts speak for themselves.  This is off to a great start, and these things take years.

[Michael Fisher]

One major thing that you could say to the media in this protest is that only 4 years ago, no ID was necessary to enter an airport!? Our country is MUCH less free now than it was before 9/11, and this is PROOF of it!

[Dreepa]

Strangely enough the speaker at my Kiwanis club yesterday was the director of security for Logan Airport.? He said they liked to do things randomly just in case people were casing the system.

I heard that they test young kids and old people so that when they test 'middle eastern people' they can 'prove' that it is a random search.

What do they do if you lost your ID?  I mean if my wallet was lost/stolen this week I would be stuck in Chicago.
On my flight here last night I got the total pat down search in Oakland once again for not taking my shoes off.

Have fun in Philly Russell!!

[Russell Kanning]

If I make it there....you'll know we have won!

[Michael Fisher]

All I know is that I feel blatantly violated every single time I enter a courthouse or airport, whether or not they pat me down. ?I have to strip down and even remove my coat, belt, shoes, and hair tie then get dressed again in front of everyone. ?It's very embarrassing.

Do you want to know what it reminds me of?  It feels exactly like being arrested on May 9th.  It feels EXACTLY like being booked into jail.  This practice is embarrassing and NOT suitable for a free country.

Look at the bright side. ?We'll get more support from the Left on this issue than we did with the anti-licensing event.

It is NOT a radical idea to propose that we at least go back to our pre-9/11 freedoms.

[Michael Fisher]

I'm surprised airport security does not yet force us to take a shower and wear orange prison clothes on the airplane.

At least that would accurately reflect our status as prisoners while we're traveling by plane.

[Michael Fisher]

When you really get into the details of why you are required to show ID...

This is actually a protest against the recent federalization of airport security!

http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-20-01.html

[Dreepa]

Maybe we should fly naked!