I am going to leave the USA

[Mrs. Concious]

I see little value to maintainingg my American citizenship and will be securing a certain countries citizenship for my family and myself within 10 months.  This country is one of several that have no law or misapplication of law requiring an income or capital gains tax.

We are no longer disiliusioned by ideas that the US will not become a model nazi state.

Yes we are fleeing the USA just as many Germans fled Germany post 1933 Enabling Act.

Freedom does indeed require bold action.

[president]

What coutry?

Many left germany before 1933.

[Caleb]

"I have made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. But not again, the line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!"  Jean-Luc Picard

I think we need to draw the line now, not retreat again.  Retreat, and eventually you will get to a point where there can be no retreat.

[president]

I think we need to draw the line now, not retreat again.  Retreat, and eventually you will get to a point where there can be no retreat.

So, are you saying that people should not move to NH, they should stay and fight where they are?

[Mrs. Concious]

There are various methods of drawing the line the least fruitfull being direct confrontation.  A flanking manuever would be better and no engagement at all would be best. 
Assuming the goal is to be within a state that respects liberty relatively more than the Amercian state does then it would be prudent first to leave the state for the state that is inline with your ideals.  A low success rate will follow overt attempts at changing your current state especially considering that the American body politic in general is quite content with tyranny and will soon be begging for more.

I simply advocate leaving behind that which you despise instead residing in that society that values what you value....the peaceful and low cost method to freedom-vote with your feet.

Unrelated:
Incredible relevance is given a state when violence is used to oppose it so please do not resort to violence against state agents.  Leave the state first then leave the state again and keep running away...wear the state out by showing others how to peacefully noncomply by way of leaving.

"Those who win every battle are not really skilfull-those who render others' armies helpless without fighting are best of all."  SUN TZU

[president]

Emanuel H. Bronner (February 1, 1908 - March 7, 1997)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Bronner

He was born in Heilbronn, Germany to the Heilbronner family of soap makers. He emigrated to the United States in 1929, dropping "Heil" from his name to protest the rise of Hitler. He pleaded with his parents to emigrate with him for fear of the Nazis, but they refused. His last contact with his parents was in the form of a postcard saying, "You were right. ?Your loving father."

[Mrs. Concious]

People should move to that location that best suits them relative to what least suits them.  For me I refuse to compromise anymore regarding my liberty and properties.  NH is perhaps the best state of the 50 to enjoy relative degrees of liberty.  However, NH is but a slave to the federal government and until NH reclaims its sovereignty and returns to a republic then it is on the path to destruction albeit at a slower rate then other states of the union.

Perhaps it is the lack of knowledge of how free one can be in many parts of Europe et al that bars Americans from leaving the "homeland".

Was not America founded by liberty lovers seeking relatively more liberty?  Would not it be "American" to leave America in search of increased liberty?

[Caleb]

You cannot tear at the fabric of Fedgov from Europe, (or Latin America, for that matter).

You'd have to be insane to advocate violence against fedgov.  Lack of arms is not her weak point.

Her weak point is that fedgov is a mere coalition of states.  Tear apart at those, break the Union, and there will be no more fedgov.  It was something that Lincoln understood all too well.

The best way to fight the beast is from within, tearing at her seams until she unravels.  That's why a state Independence movement is the most likely scenario for defeating the beast.

You will only be safe out of the country until such time as fedgov decides she wants to rule your little part of the world.  Then she will concoct the excuse and you will no longer be free.

[Mrs. Concious]

I see no better way to limit bad government than by eliminating its ability to confiscate my property and by leaving its jurisdiction.  If the next government that I gain citizenship in becomes fascist then I will leave it as well.  What is vitally important is to leave BEFORE said government gets overly heavy handed with its citizens.  There is the very real possiblity that the American governments will disallow Americans from leaving the country and/or disallowing assets to be tranferred out of the country....authorized under the guise of homeland security of course.  At such time an American will really be up against the wall.

[citizen_142002]

In principle the United States are just that, a union of sovereign states in a loose federation that provides for a common defense and a united economic market. We all know that this is not the form of government in practice today. There are few people living in the United States today who believe that it is patriotic to support state sovreignty.

I do not frankly believe that there is a foreign nation which is more free than New Hampshire when you look at all the angles. I recently went to Quebec, and there are ways in which people there are more free than they are here. Less strict motor vehicle law enforcement, lower drinking age, decriminalized possesion of marijuana, and a strong movement against the Canadian federal government. I am not sure that these things make up for mandatory gun registration, "hate speech" laws, heavy taxes, and state ownership of many utilities/communications.

In the last few years my feeling about the future of the United States has grown more pessimistic. Prior to 9-11 I felt that the United states was slowly slipping into democratic socialism. I felt that it would be a gradual process, and that while bad laws would probably be enacted the system would remain open enough for a conventional political correction. The rate at which tyranical power is growing in th US today genuinely alarms me. Far too few people are coming forward to reverse this trend before it gets worse. Sadly, I believe that the US is the best place on earth to make a stand for freedom, and within the US, New Hampshire is one of a few very hopefull freeholds left.

You might be able to move to other nations and feel the hand of government less, but for how long. There is a de facto state of freedom in some countries simply because the state doesn't have the resources to enforce most of the laws, or because police are so poorly paid that you can buy them off. It doesn't mean that you are any more secure in your person, property, or liberty.

I admit that it's going to be hard fight, hopefully with as little violence as possible. I won't say no violence because the Feds have already used it to impose their will. I am not in it just for myself. The time to draw the line in the US was many years ago. We gave ground, crossed our fingers, and look where that has taken us. Tyrany is like a wild animal, run and it will follow, charge at it full force and it might just turn tail and run.

[Mrs. Concious]

You might be able to move to other nations and feel the hand of government less, but for how long.

Until said nations decide to authorize an income/capital/inheritance tax at which time I would move to another country that offered a no tax option.

There is a de facto state of freedom in some countries simply because the state doesn't have the resources to enforce most of the laws, or because police are so poorly paid that you can buy them off. It doesn't mean that you are any more secure in your person, property, or liberty.

True, but do you feel secure in your person, property, liberty in America?  What about in five years?  The patriot act, kelo decision and other overtly treasonous acts of congress at federal and state levels assures me that my person  and property are in great peril within the legal jurisdiction of the USA.  It is simply when your property is confiscated not when.  If the only property you have is cash then it is guaranteed that it will be confiscated by way of inflation.

Any holding of fiat currency is dangerous to one's wealth unless one trades an "expensive" currency for a "cheap" one.  Warren Buffet, George Soros, and Bill Gates have been successfull doing this.  Said individuals have little interest in America from an investment stand point.

[aries]

Good luck wherever you're going.

I imagine I might retire to Canada.
I don't know why, I just always liked it up in the rural eastern townships of Quebec.

I'm determined to never live in a big city though, those places are where you really have to put on the shackles of government restriction. Metal detectors and surveillance cameras are not what I usually expect to see when I walk into a business, or out on the street, but I usually do in the city.

But I almost never do up here in NH... odd.

[Dreepa]

I see little value to maintainingg my American citizenship

Where and when are you going?

[Mrs. Concious]

I will be living among different countries in Europe and Canada, will have St. Kitts/Nevis citizenship.  The USA and St. Kitts allows for dual citizenship but I will be renouncing my US citizenship immediately after securing the Kittean passport.

Ironically the architect of the federal government, Alex Hamilton, hails from Nevis where the ruins of his family estate still stand.

10 months tops to escape from the USA.

[Rochelle]

I see little value to maintainingg my American citizenship and will be securing a certain countries citizenship for my family and myself within 10 months.  This country is one of several that have no law or misapplication of law requiring an income or capital gains tax.

I hope you find a good country to move to that provides this!

If the FSP doesn't work out, my fianc? and I will consider moving to New Zealand. Right now it is ranked the same as the US on the Heritage Foundation ranking--not to mention the beautiful scenery. Australia is also up with the US on the rankings list, so there's another possibility.

It's amazing how few Americans know how unfree they are. "We're the free-est country in the world," they say, not seeming to know or care that Hong Kong, Singapore, Ireland and Estonia are all more free!

I will be living among different countries in Europe and Canada, will have St. Kitts/Nevis citizenship.  The USA and St. Kitts allows for dual citizenship but I will be renouncing my US citizenship immediately after securing the Kittean passport.

Where is St. Kittis?