Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[John]

Thanks for the pictures... beautiful, happy day. 

I'm HAPPY to be a small part.  We have lots of fun as we do these things.
I had MUCH FUN with these folKs!
Playing photo journalist is just something that needed to happen . . . MUCH FUN!  I was going to be there for Dave anyway - 

[Revmar]

How about we, as the Constitution suggests, allow freedom of speech everywhere, but just arrest those that actually DO interrupt those official duties?

Everywhere? We don't allow freedom of speech for libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded building or inciting a riot. We don't allow freedom of speech on private property without permission of the owner (btw - in anarcho-capitalism where all land is private, where would we have freedom of speech rights?).

If freedom of speech were allowed in the offices of the IRS then it COULD be shutdown with enough people exercising their rights. So we make a law that no one can.

first point- no you don't have "Freedom of speech" on private property like a theater or my home.  Don't forget that the constitution is a document meant to LIMIT the scope of government, not grant "rights" to people.  Your property is an extention of yourself, being the product of your labor and time.  If you own yourself and are not the property of any group of people (even one that calls itself an authority) than you can control and take the responsibility for your own actions.  The IRS is "owned" by that governing body that is supposedly controlled by that piece of paper called the constitution.  It's not that Dada has the "right" to free speech in the IRS office, it's that the IRS does NOT have the right to stop him.  They are the ones controlled by the first amendment.

Second point.  Would it really be so bad if the IRS office was shut down? 

If all lands are privately owned, then where will individuals who don't own have the ability to excercise their first amendment rights?

Do you understand that first amendment are common rights - individual EQUAL rights?

What does that mean to you?

I would like the IRS to be shutdown too because the tax is immoral and it pays for immoral actions. 

And the answer to your question is.....nowhere.  See, on my property you don't have the right to say anything you want because I have soul ownership of it.  as to the second part of the question regarding the "rights" of people who don't own, well, at the risk of being redundant- They have no such rights.  The First amendment to the constitution is, as I mentioned, a document meant to Limit the scope of government.  Period.  end of story.  If there is no government then there is nothing to limit. (boy that sounds like nirvana to me!) 

Look, if I want to I can make a rule in my house that you are not allowed to talk about Vermont furniture makers.  You don't have a right to disregard that rule and expect me not to toss you off my land.  If I can't afford to own my land I well shop for a landlord to rent from that will allow me to stipulate that in my lease.  I believe it would be known as the VFM clause in the contract.

I own my property, you own yours.  I don't see why that is hard to grasp.  There are no "Collective rights" in the mix.  even today the idea of "Collective rights" is a fiction.  No group of people have a "collective right" that morally empowers them to trump my life, my liberty, or my property.  The state would claim otherwise, but why would I chose to listen to the gang of thugs that want to use force against me.  They are, quite simply, wrong.

[kola]

Awww kola, what a cute baby!

Thanks Kat, she has my nose.

so..umm dave?  How was Paris?

Kola

[Dave Ridley]

i bak at thinking machine
thanks all for all you've done!  mo latah

[Dave Ridley]

I can't figure out how to contact dan belforti to thank him for bringing this up on his radio show.   can someone forward the following message to him:

Dan:  Just wanted to give you a quick shout and thank you for discussing my "distribution of handbills" imprisonment the other day on your show!  I haven't had a chance to hear it but it means a lot to me that you thought the issue was important enough to discuss.

Yours,

Dave Ridley
"the Outlaw Leafletter"

[d_goddard]

Dave, you can send him email at: dan@belforti.com

[EthanAllen]

I own my property, you own yours.  I don't see why that is hard to grasp.  There are no "Collective rights" in the mix.  even today the idea of "Collective rights" is a fiction.  No group of people have a "collective right" that morally empowers them to trump my life, my liberty, or my property.  The state would claim otherwise, but why would I chose to listen to the gang of thugs that want to use force against me.

I already stated that no one has first amendment rights on anyone else's property. You are conflating collective rights which are joint rights that inevitably lead to inequality and positive liberty with common rights which are individual equal rights that are the basis of negative liberty.

[Russell Kanning]

One of the ways you can get phone calls about these events is to be part of the phone tree ... and then get ahold of 2 people that haven't heard the news ... and let it spread. This time .... too much of the phone tree was with us on site. Next time we can set up a contact who is not at the event and that person can get the word out by phone/internet while it is happening.

[EthanAllen]

One of the ways you can get phone calls about these events is to be part of the phone tree ... and then get ahold of 2 people that haven't heard the news ... and let it spread. This time .... too much of the phone tree was with us on site. Next time we can set up a contact who is not at the event and that person can get the word out by phone/internet while it is happening.

You should be able to activate a messaging system from a cell phone by recording a message and having it sent to a group list. I use to sell a service that did just that.

[Kat Kanning]

John asked for this to be posted.  I'm sure he'll explain.

[Kat Kanning]

John asked for this to be posted.  I'm sure he'll explain.

A great peaceful yoga position.  Notice the (porcupine) hands!
Pic is from the July 2007 "Fit Yoga" mag.

[John]

There is no need to twist any part your body into any uncomfortable position (in this case the feet and legs could feel too much stress) but, one can sit comfortably in any chair and do this (or on the floor) and breath deeply into those centers of the heart & belly . . . think positive thoughts ... breath deeply . . . from the bottom of our hearts (and bellys) change will come.

This position helps to bring courage, peace, and compation.  With courage one can forgive!


Try this and see:  Breath.  Breath deeply!  Hold your hand nere your heart (in that pocupine position) for a few moments.  Breathe . . . (when you are ready you will meditate on this)...

Free your heart, and your mind will follow.
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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More recollections from Dada's experience.

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[John]

Free your mind, and your heart will follow.
With Freedom comes peace.
Please find Freedom.
You can do it!

[Kat Kanning]

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