Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[Russell Kanning]

I know this is not your style Russell, but I think it would be fun to have a fee schedule prepared and notarized. That way when the police start placing orders for your services, you can clearly relay the costs to them.

I like the idea.

[Russell Kanning]

We had fun with the gang at Murphy's until we had to leave for the drive back to Keene.
Dave is alive and well and out of the clutches of the enemy.

[Pat K]

 

[SamIam]

That Rocks! I want to hear jail stories. Can somebody post one for us to read?

[David]

Congratulations Dave.  I don't have any smart, witty, or any sentamental things to say, other than job well done.  My apologies for not making your getting out party. 

the goal of persuading the "public at large" when you do an act of civil disobedience is only secondary. The main goal is to get at the conscience of those who are enforcing the law. Since they are the ones who actually have to use the violence to stop you, it is their conscience that is most plagued by the action.

Another excellent point. The Birmingham bus boycott ended while the laws were still on the books but no one was willing to enforce them.

Yup.  I have been preaching this a lot lately, because I know it can work. 

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Hmm... I guess it's too late to head down now.

We're in Peterborough, call me if there's anything going on with Dada (dinner, sitting around a campfire and telling prison ghost stories, etc) that my daughter and I can attend and be supportive in.

801-319-6294

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[shyfrog]

Hmm... I guess it's too late to head down now.

We're in Peterborough, call me if there's anything going on with Dada (dinner, sitting around a campfire and telling prison ghost stories, etc) that my daughter and I can attend and be supportive in.

801-319-6294

Hey, we missed you! You need to subscribe to Porc-411.

Indeed...how do I go about doing that?

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http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=5248.0

[Russell Kanning]

We were thinking that we need a communications center set up for the evening before we head out to an event like yesterday. That way we know who to call on our cell phones to ask questions and get the word out on the internet and phone tree.
We could just find out who will be available to take calls and be on the internet for the evening. The person/s could be out of the area also.

[Revmar]

How about we, as the Constitution suggests, allow freedom of speech everywhere, but just arrest those that actually DO interrupt those official duties?

Everywhere? We don't allow freedom of speech for libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded building or inciting a riot. We don't allow freedom of speech on private property without permission of the owner (btw - in anarcho-capitalism where all land is private, where would we have freedom of speech rights?).

If freedom of speech were allowed in the offices of the IRS then it COULD be shutdown with enough people exercising their rights. So we make a law that no one can.

first point- no you don't have "Freedom of speech" on private property like a theater or my home.  Don't forget that the constitution is a document meant to LIMIT the scope of government, not grant "rights" to people.  Your property is an extention of yourself, being the product of your labor and time.  If you own yourself and are not the property of any group of people (even one that calls itself an authority) than you can control and take the responsibility for your own actions.  The IRS is "owned" by that governing body that is supposedly controlled by that piece of paper called the constitution.  It's not that Dada has the "right" to free speech in the IRS office, it's that the IRS does NOT have the right to stop him.  They are the ones controlled by the first amendment.

Second point.  Would it really be so bad if the IRS office was shut down? 

[Revmar]

It's great to hear you are free Dave!   

[srqrebel]

How about we, as the Constitution suggests, allow freedom of speech everywhere, but just arrest those that actually DO interrupt those official duties?

Everywhere? We don't allow freedom of speech for libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded building or inciting a riot. We don't allow freedom of speech on private property without permission of the owner (btw - in anarcho-capitalism where all land is private, where would we have freedom of speech rights?).

If freedom of speech were allowed in the offices of the IRS then it COULD be shutdown with enough people exercising their rights. So we make a law that no one can.

first point- no you don't have "Freedom of speech" on private property like a theater or my home.  Don't forget that the constitution is a document meant to LIMIT the scope of government, not grant "rights" to people.  Your property is an extention of yourself, being the product of your labor and time.  If you own yourself and are not the property of any group of people (even one that calls itself an authority) than you can control and take the responsibility for your own actions.  The IRS is "owned" by that governing body that is supposedly controlled by that piece of paper called the constitution.  It's not that Dada has the "right" to free speech in the IRS office, it's that the IRS does NOT have the right to stop him.  They are the ones controlled by the first amendment.

Second point.  Would it really be so bad if the IRS office was shut down? 

Wow! I could not have stated it better.  +1 for Revmar!!!

[Kat Kanning]

Dave freed!

[shyfrog]

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=5248.0

Thanks

[Revmar]

I have to say, it's great that Dave did his time wareing a "Free Russell Kanning" shirt!