Dada in Federal Court 7/17 .... leads to 4 days in jail

[Tom Sawyer]

The sophist spins a marvelous web of truth so lithely with expertise and accuracy, only to throw that subtle, sticky, dark thread of lie in divers places. Entrapping their prey, unaware and unarmed, injected with the numbing poison of consensus and popularity. Move away from that which leads you into a false sense of security and safety.

Is this your work or someone elses... well done.

[shyfrog]

The sophist spins a marvelous web of truth so lithely with expertise and accuracy, only to throw that subtle, sticky, dark thread of lie in divers places. Entrapping their prey, unaware and unarmed, injected with the numbing poison of consensus and popularity. Move away from that which leads you into a false sense of security and safety.

Is this your work our someone elses... well done.

It's mine.

Thanks

[John]

It's weird because it's not a violent rage

Ditto!

[EthanAllen]

Income Tax is unconstitutional, therefore illegal.

The income tax is constitutional thus legal but immoral as it violates the absolute right of self-ownership - the fundamental tenet of libertarianism.

[Kat Kanning]

The infirmary says that Dave is in court.  We assume that just means he's on his way to the Concord court to be released.

[kola]

Has it been made clear to him that he no longer owes 150 bucks?

If not, they will summons him again.

If there are no penalties due, I would request something in writing to prove it.

Kola

[error]

I'll be arriving at around 5 pm. Don't leave without me!

[shyfrog]

Hmm... I guess it's too late to head down now.

We're in Peterborough, call me if there's anything going on with Dada (dinner, sitting around a campfire and telling prison ghost stories, etc) that my daughter and I can attend and be supportive in.

801-319-6294

[freek_ish]

WELCOME HOME DADA !>!<!>!<!>!<

GET FOOD IN HED

LOV

STEVESTEVE

[SamIam]

Yesterday I didn't talk with them and just walked away when they started giving me orders.

I know this is not your style Russell, but I think it would be fun to have a fee schedule prepared and notarized. That way when the police start placing orders for your services, you can clearly relay the costs to them. One court settlement against an officer's personal possessions or wages would go a long way.

I'm still learning, but that's what Robert Menard has put into place. It seems to be working for him. Although you don't join their system, it does require understanding their corrupt wacky methods.   

[Caleb]

To put it bluntly people see protesters as nuts.  When you say Dave went to the IRS office to hand out fliers asking them to quit their jobs and he was arrested for it, people don't see that as a first amendment violation of his trying to address his grievances... they simply see it as someone doing something they see as nutty.

Bingo.
Acts of Civ Dis have to be absolute master-strokes of intentional planning and knowing the pulse of the public.

I still hold Mike Fisher's "outlaw manicure" as the perfect act of Civ Dis.
Masterstroke.

With all due respect, Denis ... you're full of it.

"Acts of civ dis have to be absolute master-strokes of intentional planning and knowing the pulse of the public"



In other words, stand around planning perfection, but don't actually do anything.

I wonder if Thoreau took a poll to get his fingers on the "pulse" of the public.

Let me state something that I think should be obvious:  the goal of persuading the "public at large" when you do an act of civil disobedience is only secondary. The main goal is to get at the conscience of those who are enforcing the law. Since they are the ones who actually have to use the violence to stop you, it is their conscience that is most plagued by the action.

[Caleb]

so long as the IRS continues to rob me biweekly, I own the goddamn building.

In the system we live under - a constitutional democratic republic - you have delegated authority to make laws that regulate the collectively owned buildings to your elected representatives.

That I cannot stand in the lobby, in a peaceful and nonthreatening manner....is bullshit.

You can in the lobby, as you have a common right of egress to get to the office to conduct the business designated as the purpose of the collectively owned building. You may not block others common right of egress as you can not do it on a sidewalk either. But because a lobby is typically wider than a sidewalk, I have no idea how they would enforce this.

His being there was not a hindrance

The law states that handbills can not be given to employees because it interferes with (hinders) their duties. If it were allowed then you could essentially shut down the duties of the office by continually giving employees handbills so that they could not complete their work. You can hand them handbills on the way out of their office on common property (sidewalks) and may even be able to slip it under a windshield wiper on their car (I have no idea legally whether this is true) if you don't touch the car with your hands.

have the guts to say that you think Dave Ridley got what he deserved.

But that is the point of non-violent, civil disobedience. To willingly and lovingly accept the punishment in order to focus attention on the particular law you are breaking and the larger principle. I believe the income tax laws are morally wrong and that the money pays for torture - which is also morally wrong.

There come s time when I reasonable person has to say "ENOUGH".

I agree and each of us as individuals will subjectively determine where and under what circumstances that point comes.

A person, a human, has the right to step into the lobby of his oppressors and say "Stop oppressing me".

You have that right. Within the buildings designated for that purpose in exercising your first amendment rights to petition your elected officials for redress of grievances. You also have it on collectively owned sidewalks and roads where we all have individual common right of ways that are protected for that purpose.

Is it a waste of time to tak to you? I'm not trying to be rude....but before I type and type and type a response to all of this...I would just like to know if ti is a waste of my time.

Yes. it is a waste of your time. I like bill Grennon, as a person. But online ... you're wasting your time.

[KBCraig]

I was arrested when I lived in Amherst for driving without a license. I had paid a fine for a ticket, but somebody missed a key stroke and didn't register that I'd paid it and I was stopped. (...) I paid the fine and left.

Was arrested about a year ago for the same thing. Had a registration violating ticket...paid the fine, thought either not the full amount fo something and so they arrested me... (...) they let me go, I did pay a fee for something though. They didn't call it a fine...it was about $30-50.

So... they screwed up, and arrested you when you had done nothing wrong. They took your valuable time, interfered with your job, caused you public embarrassment, finally figured out they'd screwed up, and still made you pay money before letting you go! What a system! They should have been paying you!

[porcupine kate]

Let me state something that I think should be obvious:  the goal of persuading the "public at large" when you do an act of civil disobedience is only secondary. The main goal is to get at the conscience of those who are enforcing the law. Since they are the ones who actually have to use the violence to stop you, it is their conscience that is most plagued by the action.

I think they should be well planned, not unplanned.  Indeed, the perfect is the enemy of the good, but a half-assed civil dis that isn't thought out to maximize the clarity of what you're trying to do is lost on SO many people including the idiots who are going to be enforcing the law.  I think you could have gotten a lot more people to really think about why a license is needed for manicures if right beside Mike's "illegal" manicure was another identical manicure being done for FREE.  AFAIK, you can't be arrested unless you're charging money, and so you could really point out that both people were doing the EXACT SAME THING - only, one person DIDN'T get arrested - maybe COULDN'T be arrested - WHY?  Money?
It would really underscore that licenses aren't really there to "protect the public," but to ensure business for schools that prepare you for licensure, protect an existing business hierarchy and stifle new business and innovation.

So Caleb, I don't think Denis is full of anything except enthusiasm and contemplation.  Chill.

[Bald Eagle]

Let me state something that I think should be obvious:  the goal of persuading the "public at large" when you do an act of civil disobedience is only secondary. The main goal is to get at the conscience of those who are enforcing the law. Since they are the ones who actually have to use the violence to stop you, it is their conscience that is most plagued by the action.

I think they should be well planned, not unplanned.  Indeed, the perfect is the enemy of the good, but a half-assed civil dis that isn't thought out to maximize the clarity of what you're trying to do is lost on SO many people including the idiots who are going to be enforcing the law.  I think you could have gotten a lot more people to really think about why a license is needed for manicures if right beside Mike's "illegal" manicure was another identical manicure being done for FREE.  AFAIK, you can't be arrested unless you're charging money, and so you could really point out that both people were doing the EXACT SAME THING - only, one person DIDN'T get arrested - maybe COULDN'T be arrested - WHY?  Money?
It would really underscore that licenses aren't really there to "protect the public," but to ensure business for schools that prepare you for licensure, protect an existing business hierarchy and stifle new business and innovation.

So Caleb, I don't think Denis is full of anything except enthusiasm and contemplation.  Chill.