You might call my ancient rants about islam a.....

[MaineShark]

Funny... "The Man" causes harm to anyone living in America on a daily basis.  I can't recall ever being harmed by a Muslim.

The drone ratio could, indeed, be exaggerated (I doubt it, but it's possible).  For a number that's are far easier to verify: American cops shoot more Americans than the number of Americans that are attacked by terrorists (Muslim or otherwise).  So, I guess "The Man" is still causing more damage...

[Riddler]

28 to 1........whose intel?
We're not exactly fire bombing Dresden or Tokyo after all. Drone strikes are quite accurate. The other "Muslim thing" is combatants hiding themselves/munitions behind women & children, schools, hospitals, etc.......they don't give a blue fuck about their own people. They love to use them as collateral damage pawns to turn international outrage against the U.S.
As stated before, they gladly kill their neighbors over religion daily & in greater numbers than Great Satan.

[Riddler]

Funny... "The Man" causes harm to anyone living in America on a daily basis.  I can't recall ever being harmed by a Muslim.

The drone ratio could, indeed, be exaggerated (I doubt it, but it's possible).  For a number that's are far easier to verify: American cops shoot more Americans than the number of Americans that are attacked by terrorists (Muslim or otherwise).  So, I guess "The Man" is still causing more damage...

Cops--- Muslim extremists
Apples---Oranges

Maybe if your wife, bother, sister, father, mother was in the Twin towers, you all would have a different take.

[Free libertarian]

Even if ONE innocent person is killed by a drone strike, isn't it still murder? 


If I run people over knowingly (killing them)  in my pursuit of a person I believe is evil aren't I responsible for the innocent pedestrians death?


Also, the Twin Towers, valid or invalid have nothing to do with whether killing innocent people is murder or not.  Nice try though.

[Tom Sawyer]

Apparently the US government won't release any numbers on the number killed innocent or otherwise. When the eye in the sky targets a wedding they must be aware they will hit innocents. Perfect recipe to inspire the next generation to hate us.

Interesting point that regarding the bombings during WWII Robert McNamara said

LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?

What was the reason for the war in Europe? It was to stop a tyrannical government that had invaded Poland. To be replaced by another tyrannical government and the world lived under the threat of complete destruction called the Cold War.

Why had WWII happened? Because we had gotten involved in WWI.

Robert McNamara went onto lie about the Vietnam War, which continued the war that led to countless more dead...
We lost 50k in total the Vietnamese uncountable millions. Did we achieve our goal of a free Vietnam?

[MaineShark]

Cops--- Muslim extremists
Apples---Oranges

Correct.  Cops kill more Americans, so they are a greater threat to America.

Maybe if your wife, bother, sister, father, mother was in the Twin towers, you all would have a different take.

Thanks for admitting that your position is irrational.  A rational position would not change depending upon the emotional state of the individual holding that position.

But, if you want an emotional argument, I can point out that, half my ancestry being Jewish, I am at far more risk from such extremists than most.  I could also point out that those ancestors came here to avoid being exterminated by a bunch of Christians.  Who succeeded in killing far more than all attacks by terroristic "Muslim extremists," combined.  So, to make an emotional argument like you seem to wish, we would obviously have to hold Christianity responsible and condemn the entire religion for a death toll that requires at least eight digits.  Oh, some terrorists killed three thousand in one attack?  At it's peak, Auschwitz - just one extermination camp - was killing eight thousand a day... day after day, week after week.

So, if the whole of Islam is responsible for the September 11th attacks, and other such acts of terrorism, and should be condemned for it, then the whole of Christianity is responsible for the Holocaust, and should be condemned for it... in greater magnitude, for the greater magnitude of the evil that was wrought.

That's the two largest religions, right there - three billion human beings - condemned in accordance with your preferences.  Find a way to condemn all Hindus, and you'll easily have condemned more than half of the population of the planet.

[WithoutAPaddle]

...That's the two largest religions, right there - three billion human beings - condemned in accordance with your preferences.  Find a way to condemn all Hindus, and you'll easily have condemned more than half of the population of the planet.

A lot of the Hindus here in the mid Atlantic region won't let you use a charge card for purchases of under $5 in their convenience stores.  Neither will the Buddhists.  What is it with these religious people?

[Riddler]

Cops--- Muslim extremists
Apples---Oranges

Correct.  Cops kill more Americans, so they are a greater threat to America.

Maybe if your wife, bother, sister, father, mother was in the Twin towers, you all would have a different take.

Thanks for admitting that your position is irrational.  A rational position would not change depending upon the emotional state of the individual holding that position.

But, if you want an emotional argument, I can point out that, half my ancestry being Jewish, I am at far more risk from such extremists than most.  I could also point out that those ancestors came here to avoid being exterminated by a bunch of Christians.  Who succeeded in killing far more than all attacks by terroristic "Muslim extremists," combined.  So, to make an emotional argument like you seem to wish, we would obviously have to hold Christianity responsible and condemn the entire religion for a death toll that requires at least eight digits.  Oh, some terrorists killed three thousand in one attack?  At it's peak, Auschwitz - just one extermination camp - was killing eight thousand a day... day after day, week after week.

So, if the whole of Islam is responsible for the September 11th attacks, and other such acts of terrorism, and should be condemned for it, then the whole of Christianity is responsible for the Holocaust, and should be condemned for it... in greater magnitude, for the greater magnitude of the evil that was wrought.

That's the two largest religions, right there - three billion human beings - condemned in accordance with your preferences.  Find a way to condemn all Hindus, and you'll easily have condemned more than half of the population of the planet.

Wow. Theory - stretch much?.........Hitler & his henchmen weren't killing jews because of religion. Remember the whole Aryan/Master race thing?  There was much more to it than that. Also, almost as many non-Jews (@ 5 million) were exterminated by the nazis. You're all smoke & mirrors on that 1 joe.
So, out of ALL the people killed by cops, there mightn't  be just a smattering of scumbaggery,  murderers,  rapists, and the like?.....You again fail, by lumping all cop - related killings into a single group.

[Riddler]

You know, the other wild card here is........ever since I heard a Palestinian Doctor proclaim that he wished he had more sons (had boys/girls), so that when they were old enough, they could become human bombs, to kill jews & infidels, I haven't had much sympathy for these people. A DOCTOR!!!....An otherwise educated man of science.....Hypocratic oath?
A great majority of Muslims espouse this maniacal thinking. They aren't like the rest of mankind. And openly proclaim it....."We embrace death the way you (Westerners) embrace life."
They all buy into the 72 virgin bullshiite. ..THAT makes them very dangerous.
So, bloviate on about the "inquisition",  "crusades".....Christian madness that took place 500 years ago....when mankind was primitive. The rest of the world has evolved, leaving islamists in the 1500's.

[MaineShark]

Wow. Theory - stretch much?.........Hitler & his henchmen weren't killing jews because of religion. Remember the whole Aryan/Master race thing?  There was much more to it than that.

Sort of like the case with Islamic terrorism, eh?  Seems like a lot of them are more worried about their families being murdered in bombing strikes, than any religious issue.  Religion is just a convenient excuse, just as it was when Hitler targeted Jews.

Also, almost as many non-Jews (@ 5 million) were exterminated by the nazis. You're all smoke & mirrors on that 1 joe.

That just proved my point.  Thanks.  These murderous Christians would kill anyone, regardless of his religion, so they were a danger to the whole of humanity.  Just exactly what you say about Islamic terrorists...

So, out of ALL the people killed by cops, there mightn't  be just a smattering of scumbaggery,  murderers,  rapists, and the like?.....You again fail, by lumping all cop - related killings into a single group.

On rare occasion.  Most are at least as morally-upstanding as the cops.  And many are far better people than the jackboots who murder them.

So, bloviate on about the "inquisition",  "crusades".....Christian madness that took place 500 years ago....when mankind was primitive. The rest of the world has evolved, leaving islamists in the 1500's.

The Holocaust, enacted by Christians, was not 500 years ago.  It was so recent that many of those who survived it are still alive to discuss the brutality of those horrible Christians.

Most American cops and politicians are Christians.

So, which is it?  Do we condemn an entire religion because some members of that religion are evil scum, or do we say, "hey, maybe we can't condemn a few billion innnocents, just because a few thousand scumbags mouth the same words, periodically," perhaps indicating that we have some brains in our skulls?

[Riddler]

Wow. Theory - stretch much?.........Hitler & his henchmen weren't killing jews because of religion. Remember the whole Aryan/Master race thing?  There was much more to it than that.

Sort of like the case with Islamic terrorism, eh?  Seems like a lot of them are more worried about their families being murdered in bombing strikes, than any religious issue.  Religion is just a convenient excuse, just as it was when Hitler targeted Jews.

Also, almost as many non-Jews (@ 5 million) were exterminated by the nazis. You're all smoke & mirrors on that 1 joe.

That just proved my point.  Thanks.  These murderous Christians would kill anyone, regardless of his religion, so they were a danger to the whole of humanity.  Just exactly what you say about Islamic terrorists...

So, out of ALL the people killed by cops, there mightn't  be just a smattering of scumbaggery,  murderers,  rapists, and the like?.....You again fail, by lumping all cop - related killings into a single group.

On rare occasion.  Most are at least as morally-upstanding as the cops.  And many are far better people than the jackboots who murder them.

So, bloviate on about the "inquisition",  "crusades".....Christian madness that took place 500 years ago....when mankind was primitive. The rest of the world has evolved, leaving islamists in the 1500's.

The Holocaust, enacted by Christians, was not 500 years ago.  It was so recent that many of those who survived it are still alive to discuss the brutality of those horrible Christians.

Most American cops and politicians are Christians.

So, which is it?  Do we condemn an entire religion because some members of that religion are evil scum, or do we say, "hey, maybe we can't condemn a few billion innnocents, just because a few thousand scumbags mouth the same words, periodically," perhaps indicating that we have some brains in our skulls?

Your argument is full of holes. Nazis religious predilections had little to nothing to do with their campaign. You obviously don't get the difference.
Religion IS THE ONLY driving factor w/ the majority of muslims. They constantly tell the world this.
The founders of "CAIR" , and the leading clerics of islam have openly stated there is no place for any other religion but islam. No room for any other law in the world but sharia. Keep your head in the sand.
Maybe if you buy them a coke, you can all hold hands & sing kumbaya

[Riddler]

Oh hey, as an aside, ....I haven't been keeping track. ....
Are my karma numbers coming up?

[MaineShark]

Your argument is full of holes. Nazis religious predilections had little to nothing to do with their campaign. You obviously don't get the difference.

Yeah, the fact that they were targetting a religious group, had nothing to do with religion.  Makes perfect sense!

Religion IS THE ONLY driving factor w/ the majority of muslims. They constantly tell the world this.

Really?  You've interviewed eight hundred million human beings, have you?  Even if you asked only that question ("is religion the only driving factor?"), and even if every single one agreed (necessary to get a majority - if any disagree, you're going to be interviewing more and more of them, up to the full 1.6 billion), and it only took a few seconds to answer, that survey would take something like 400 years to complete.  Since it would actually take far longer to interview each one (travel time, alone, would multiply that number into the tens or hundreds of thousands of years), I think it's safe to say that you're lying through your teeth, right?

The founders of "CAIR" , and the leading clerics of islam have openly stated there is no place for any other religion but islam.

Odd that the Koran says the opposite, then, eh?  Almost like those folks don't actually know much about Islam and, therefore, cannot possibly be considered (by any rational individual, at least) to automatically represent the overall body of Muslims.

(Islam and Sikhism are, by the way, the only major religions that guarantee freedom of religion to all)

[Riddler]

Ahh yes....the "peaceful" muslims....
I'm sure there are some on this planet. Maybe a good number of them. Problem is,  their bomb-belt wearing brethren speak just a little louder, no?
Even the " moderates" among them have declared, while they condemn the murderous violence in France, well.....you shouldn't have mocked the "prophet"........
Do you see Jews, Catholics, Buddhists, ANY other religious groups going into murderous rage over an insult to their respective religion?
I'll answer the question for you........No......you don't

[Riddler]

If I run people over knowingly (killing them)  in my pursuit of a person I believe is evil aren't I responsible for the innocent pedestrians death?

It actually means you need how to drive a car. Take a bus, maybe?