I am going to leave the USA

[Mrs. Concious]

We're here because we still believe it is possible to relight the torch of Liberty in New Hampshire.  If you don't think you have what it takes to fight for liberty, then best wishes on your journey.

I have zero interest in fighting for liberty until that time in which it is no longer offered.  For the time being I can have it but not on the rock legally designated as America.

[CNHT]

And the reason most of us are here, is because we are proud patriots. We aren't going to scurry off to freeer lands, we want freedom HERE, not there.

We want our American dream, we want our democracy, and we don't want to take no for an answer!

And before you point out that we FSP members are "fleeing" to NH... well, I for one already lived here, and it's as American as Texas or Hawaii. So there. 

And to say you can have MORE liberty on some third world island is really misguided....watch out though, using that dirty word patriot! OMG how dare you?   

[JonM]

We're here because we still believe it is possible to relight the torch of Liberty in New Hampshire.  If you don't think you have what it takes to fight for liberty, then best wishes on your journey.

I have zero interest in fighting for liberty until that time in which it is no longer offered.  For the time being I can have it but not on the rock legally designated as America.

Eh?  Why are you even here then?

[Mrs. Concious]

And the reason most of us are here, is because we are proud patriots. We aren't going to scurry off to freeer lands, we want freedom HERE, not there.

Translation:

Freedom is really a big responsiblity...too big in fact so I will complain about not having it and strive to have it without actually achieving freedom so as to compensate for the fact that freedom is way too big of a sacrifice to my life and limb.

Its like these people calling themselves Christians in these buildings they call churches...all form but no substance...an affront to the gospel message.

going through the motions...

Chains resting easy?

[KBCraig]

You fail to demand liberty for yourself by accepting some half-baked version yet are convinced that you can effect freedom in NH?

It's more likely than a half-baked vision of finding it somewhere else.

[aworldnervelink]

Europe is what it is but the fact shall remain...no taxes or wealth confiscation as I will be a Kittian citizen.

Are you aware that merely obtaining alternate citizenship will not relieve your tax obligations in the eyes of the US Government? By residing in another country you can get the 80k deduction, which is a good start, but you will still be expected to pay taxes on income beyond that point (plus whatever your new residence country wants). The only way to permanently sever that obligation is to renounce your US Citizenship. At that point, if you ever want to return to the US, you are starting from scratch like any other immigrant.

[Mrs. Concious]

And to say you can have MORE liberty on some third world island is really misguided....watch out though, using that dirty word patriot! OMG how dare you?

The police do not murder or bully you there
The crime rate is quite low....real low
No taxes
extreme banking privacy


But it is third world which means it might not be comfortable for you.

Liberty yes
Comfort...as much as you can afford with the taxes you no longer have to pay

You sure you are not a statist?

Looks like one, sounds like one, smells like.....

[CNHT]

You sure you are not a statist?
Looks like one, sounds like one, smells like.....

Statist? I doubt anyone would agree with you on that.
I believe in severely limited gov't, so how is that a statist, because I happen to love NH?
Based on the fact I like where I live? Ridiculous. Because I used the word patriot with regard to dedication to liberty? Hardly.
Sound to me like you enjoy jumping to conclusions with few facts.
And by the way, you can be caned for as much as tossing a piece of gum on the street in those countries... check it out.

[Mrs. Concious]

Are you aware that merely obtaining alternate citizenship will not relieve your tax obligations in the eyes of the US Government? By residing in another country you can get the 80k deduction, which is a good start, but you will still be expected to pay taxes on income beyond that point (plus whatever your new residence country wants). The only way to permanently sever that obligation is to renounce your US Citizenship. At that point, if you ever want to return to the US, you are starting from scratch like any other immigrant.

As aforementioned the US citizenship will be renounced.  Return to the US?  Are you aware of the overt aggression against the US people as perpetrated the American government that is occuring?

This is gain of liberty, not a loss.  What good is liberty if it is talked about as if it where some dead grandfather?  What good is liberty if it be available but not enjoyed?

[aworldnervelink]

As aforementioned the US citizenship will be renounced.  Return to the US?  Are you aware of the overt aggression against the US people as perpetrated the American government that is occuring?

This is gain of liberty, not a loss.  What good is liberty if it is talked about as if it where some dead grandfather?  What good is liberty if it be available but not enjoyed?

I guess if you'd been around these forums more than you would know me. I've already been and done what you're describing - I lived in Panama for almost a year and I chose to return to the US and come to NH. In some sense you may have more liberty living in a third-world country, but only because the state is lazy, not because of any deep-seated notion of freedom amongst the populace. I'm far less convinced at this point that there is some undiscovered utopia out there just waiting for expats to arrive.

[Mrs. Concious]

Statist? I doubt anyone would agree with you on that.

Truth is derived from the evidence not what "everyone" agrees the truth is.

As per your comments, it is evident that keeping your wealth and enjoying limited intrusion into one's life as compared to the USA is of limited importance to you. 

If this not be the case then so state it and explain why you still live in a jurisdiction that is antithetical to the aforementioned ideals that are integral to liberty.

Maybe "anyone" is not discerning regarding actual as opposed to constructive liberty.

[CNHT]

Are you aware that merely obtaining alternate citizenship will not relieve your tax obligations in the eyes of the US Government? By residing in another country you can get the 80k deduction, which is a good start, but you will still be expected to pay taxes on income beyond that point (plus whatever your new residence country wants). The only way to permanently sever that obligation is to renounce your US Citizenship. At that point, if you ever want to return to the US, you are starting from scratch like any other immigrant.

As aforementioned the US citizenship will be renounced.  Return to the US?  Are you aware of the overt aggression against the US people as perpetrated the American government that is occuring?

This is gain of liberty, not a loss.  What good is liberty if it is talked about as if it where some dead grandfather?  What good is liberty if it be available but not enjoyed?

I know who this person is and I rather think they are leftists, looking for a 'free' country = handouts. There's a ton of welfare and poor people in those islands....

That is not what FREE means, darlin'.

[CNHT]

I guess if you'd been around these forums more than you would know me. I've already been and done what you're describing - I lived in Panama for almost a year and I chose to return to the US and come to NH. In some sense you may have more liberty living in a third-world country, but only because the state is lazy, not because of any deep-seated notion of freedom amongst the populace. I'm far less convinced at this point that there is some undiscovered utopia out there just waiting for expats to arrive.

So true! No country has the monopoly on liberty, liberty is WHERE YOU MAKE IT!
And I choose to make it here.
As you say, you still have to pay US taxes unless you denounce your citizenship, or just don't pay them at all.
Even if you are jailed for not paying, you won't be caned....or thrown out. Other countries are not so politically correct when it comes to immigration you know?
Some folks remind me of the hippies of the 60s who had to learn the hard way....

[Mrs. Concious]

I'm far less convinced at this point that there is some undiscovered utopia out there just waiting for expats to arrive.

Then of what value are you to the free state project?  You sound defeated.

If it is easy to get in to a place and / or cheap to become a citizen then you do not want to be there....like America is to Mexicans.

If I where a Mexican I would go to America too.  Being an American with assets to protect requires that I leave this place and head for where our senators/congresscritters have their estates....not in America!

[Dreepa]

Mrs C..

Ok you move to St K  and get citizenship and renounce the US cit. Ok
Are there jobs there?  You mentioned living in Europe... doing what?