Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 20

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If somebody's passing through here on the way up, feel free to drop by and give me a ride. Thanks

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Russell Kanning just called me up and has arrived safely at the Browns' residence. He reports no visible police activity on the approaches to the residence.

[Kat Kanning]

It was quiet out there this morning.  I don't think the feds succeeded in shaking them up very badly.

[J’raxis 270145]

The feds are getting valuable information by their actions.

They are seeing how the media reacts and how the infomation is being relayed and specifically who is broadcasting it either via email, websites, phones and radio.

Danny has openingly gave out information about how they all reacted and other specific: (who went to the tower, who came from the trailer, the barricaded door,  wearing 100 lbs of gear, etc)

imo, the feds got a LOT of valuable info from their little  shooting spree..and it is possible they were trying to destroy the browns power supply. (they could have shot out the solar panels and sabotoged the generator).

I think the folks in the browns house need to be more discreet.

People are being far, far too open about everything.


Stop using email and MySpace for organizing. Email is easily intercepted and surveilled, and MySpace is owned by the same conglomerate that owns FOX News. If you need to communicate over email to specific people, this is what PGP was invented for. (PGP can be used for multiple recipients but would be unworkable for entire mailing lists.)

Move this site to SSL, even if it's a self-signed cert, and only let people you already know and trust into the forums and topics Ed Brown. (Can SMF be configured not only to allow "members only" but specific members only, on a per-forum basis?) Set up a few parallel sites for organizing, configured the same, for when they try to take this one down. To prevent plaintext leakage, make sure whoever is participating in that forum has email notifications of new posts and new private messages disabled, or at the very least, have disabled the inclusion of the post/message text in the notification emails.

I can help set up the SSL for you, or I'm sure error can, if you want to work with someone you know in person—since whoever sets it up will need root access to your server and the private key while they're working.


And as for what information you do disclose publicly, learn about what the military calls operations security, and examine each piece of information you give out through that lens, before doing so.

[Kat Kanning]

You should do that. 

[coffeeseven]

The feds are getting valuable information by their actions.

They are seeing how the media reacts and how the infomation is being relayed and specifically who is broadcasting it either via email, websites, phones and radio.

Danny has openingly gave out information about how they all reacted and other specific: (who went to the tower, who came from the trailer, the barricaded door,  wearing 100 lbs of gear, etc)

imo, the feds got a LOT of valuable info from their little  shooting spree..and it is possible they were trying to destroy the browns power supply. (they could have shot out the solar panels and sabotoged the generator).

I think the folks in the browns house need to be more discreet.

People are being far, far too open about everything.


Stop using email and MySpace for organizing. Email is easily intercepted and surveilled, and MySpace is owned by the same conglomerate that owns FOX News. If you need to communicate over email to specific people, this is what PGP was invented for. (PGP can be used for multiple recipients but would be unworkable for entire mailing lists.)

Move this site to SSL, even if it's a self-signed cert, and only let people you already know and trust into the forums and topics Ed Brown. (Can SMF be configured not only to allow "members only" but specific members only, on a per-forum basis?) Set up a few parallel sites for organizing, configured the same, for when they try to take this one down. To prevent plaintext leakage, make sure whoever is participating in that forum has email notifications of new posts and new private messages disabled, or at the very least, have disabled the inclusion of the post/message text in the notification emails.

I can help set up the SSL for you, or I'm sure error can, if you want to work with someone you know in person—since whoever sets it up will need root access to your server and the private key while they're working.


And as for what information you do disclose publicly, learn about what the military calls operations security, and examine each piece of information you give out through that lens, before doing so.

What's the point in hiding communications? They're not doing anything wrong. It seems to me that all the Brown's wanted was their First and Sixth Amendment rights. Their position on taxation is being upheld in court cases around the country. First the trickle, then the flow.

[Kat Kanning]

What's the point in hiding communications? They're not doing anything wrong. It seems to me that all the Brown's wanted was their First and Sixth Amendment rights. Their position on taxation is being upheld in court cases around the country. First the trickle, then the flow.

[J’raxis 270145]

The feds are getting valuable information by their actions.

They are seeing how the media reacts and how the infomation is being relayed and specifically who is broadcasting it either via email, websites, phones and radio.

Danny has openingly gave out information about how they all reacted and other specific: (who went to the tower, who came from the trailer, the barricaded door,  wearing 100 lbs of gear, etc)

imo, the feds got a LOT of valuable info from their little  shooting spree..and it is possible they were trying to destroy the browns power supply. (they could have shot out the solar panels and sabotoged the generator).

I think the folks in the browns house need to be more discreet.

People are being far, far too open about everything.


Stop using email and MySpace for organizing. Email is easily intercepted and surveilled, and MySpace is owned by the same conglomerate that owns FOX News. If you need to communicate over email to specific people, this is what PGP was invented for. (PGP can be used for multiple recipients but would be unworkable for entire mailing lists.)

Move this site to SSL, even if it's a self-signed cert, and only let people you already know and trust into the forums and topics Ed Brown. (Can SMF be configured not only to allow "members only" but specific members only, on a per-forum basis?) Set up a few parallel sites for organizing, configured the same, for when they try to take this one down. To prevent plaintext leakage, make sure whoever is participating in that forum has email notifications of new posts and new private messages disabled, or at the very least, have disabled the inclusion of the post/message text in the notification emails.

I can help set up the SSL for you, or I'm sure error can, if you want to work with someone you know in person—since whoever sets it up will need root access to your server and the private key while they're working.


And as for what information you do disclose publicly, learn about what the military calls operations security, and examine each piece of information you give out through that lens, before doing so.

What's the point in hiding communications? They're not doing anything wrong. It seems to me that all the Brown's wanted was their First and Sixth Amendment rights. Their position on taxation is being upheld in court cases around the country. First the trickle, then the flow.

Read what I was quoting. I'm not talking about hiding communications about the case or its merits, I'm talking about hiding the posting of information that could be used as intelligence by the feds planning their eventual raid on the Brown residence.

Are the feds' movements being published out in the open? Are they announcing where their people are, how many of them there are, what they're up to, what equipment they're carrying, how they plan to raid the house, &c.? Maybe some of their communications are available on the police radio bands, but I doubt most of it is. So why should the same kind of information about the Browns be out in the open?

[Bald Eagle]

What's the point in hiding communications? They're not doing anything wrong. It seems to me that all the Brown's wanted was their First and Sixth Amendment rights. Their position on taxation is being upheld in court cases around the country. First the trickle, then the flow.

If you don't see the point, you missed the point.  The reason has been explained in sufficient detail in previous posts.

No one here is doing anything wrong, THE GOVERNMENT agents are the ones doing wrong.  Evil people are attacking good people.  They're poking and prodding, and watching and recording.  They're establishing a database like a professional hitman does, and when they have sufficient data and know the weaknesses and predictable patters of their target, they'll strike - and manage to avoid all of the strengths and defenses.

If someone's going to kidnap your children, you don't tell them what their names are, give them recent photographs, let them know what car you drive them to school in, what route you take, and what time you depart and arrive.  You ensure the security of your children by making that information as inaccessible to them as possible.  Then you change your routine at random.

If anything, it's good practice - to learn what OPSEC and COMSEC _are_, why they're valuable, and to practice their implementation so that you can use them when you need to, and not be way behind on the learning curve when time is critical.  It also gives you an advantage when dealing with THEM when they slip.

Know thine enemy sayeth the Lord.

And if things are picking up on our side, then they are damn well starting to get nervous, and will want to choke this sprout of liberty to death before the tree matures and bears fruit.  They will want to strike fast, and HARD.

[slim]

Read what I was quoting. I'm not talking about hiding communications about the case or its merits, I'm talking about hiding the posting of information that could be used as intelligence by the feds planning their eventual raid on the Brown residence.

Are the feds' movements being published out in the open? Are they announcing where their people are, how many of them there are, what they're up to, what equipment they're carrying, how they plan to raid the house, &c.? Maybe some of their communications are available on the police radio bands, but I doubt most of it is. So why should the same kind of information about the Browns be out in the open?

If you want to have a secure portal for information I would say set up a competing site and put as much security on it as you would like. I think the people who set this site up wants everything that is posted in the open to show to the world we are not concealing anything. If the customers want secrecy they will flock to your competing site.

[TylerM]

Ed's up on the tower yelling at the feds via bullhorn.

Alex Jones is rubbing off on him.

Eeep, this is not good. On a Sunday Morning as well! >.<

Be careful everyone up there!

[J’raxis 270145]

Read what I was quoting. I'm not talking about hiding communications about the case or its merits, I'm talking about hiding the posting of information that could be used as intelligence by the feds planning their eventual raid on the Brown residence.

Are the feds' movements being published out in the open? Are they announcing where their people are, how many of them there are, what they're up to, what equipment they're carrying, how they plan to raid the house, &c.? Maybe some of their communications are available on the police radio bands, but I doubt most of it is. So why should the same kind of information about the Browns be out in the open?

If you want to have a secure portal for information I would say set up a competing site and put as much security on it as you would like. I think the people who set this site up wants everything that is posted in the open to show to the world we are not concealing anything. If the customers want secrecy they will flock to your competing site.

I'd rather not disrupt everything by having people going to two (and since we also have NH Tea Party already, it would be three) competing places to work on the same topic. People already cross-post stuff between those two sites, and the FSP Forum sometimes, and then different discussions pop up in two places, people miss stuff that was said in one place because they're in the other, and so on.

Now, redundancy is useful—backup sites, perhaps even with content mirrored from the primary site, in case one were to be taken down—but uncoördinated duplication is not.

[slim]

I'd rather not disrupt everything by having people going to two (and since we also have NH Tea Party already, it would be three) competing places to work on the same topic. People already cross-post stuff between those two sites, and the FSP Forum sometimes, and then different discussions pop up in two places, people miss stuff that was said in one place because they're in the other, and so on.

Now, redundancy is useful—backup sites, perhaps even with content mirrored from the primary site, in case one were to be taken down—but uncoördinated duplication is not.

In the marketplace competition improves the products and services. The customers will make the final decision. If you make a competing site and people flock to that site it just means that NhFree.com was not being responsive to the customers. Are there too many fast food companies out there and should the companies that don't have the largest market share just close their doors? Of course not a new fast food company would make the market better.

I think the more sites out there the better especially if the government wants to stop the communications. It would be easy to take down 1 or 2 sites but to take down 50, 100, or even a million would be much much harder. The different sites could concentrate on different subjects and offer different information.

[coffeeseven]

If someone's going to kidnap your children, you don't tell them what their names are, give them recent photographs, let them know what car you drive them to school in, what route you take, and what time you depart and arrive.  You ensure the security of your children by making that information as inaccessible to them as possible.  Then you change your routine at random.

If someone is going to kidnap my kid they probably already know all of the above. So do the criminals attempting to silence the Browns.

Do not assume that I don't "get it" because I don't share your opinion of how the situation should be handled. 

[Russell Kanning]

People are being far, far too open about everything.

I can't be too open with my intentions.
Just don't tell me stuff that you want secret.
When we went there today, I didn't want them to tell me stuff that they didn't want publicized.

It was fun to talk to a couple of the guys at Ed and Elaine's place. They have lived through another night. Every day is a victory.